Scottish aircraft carriers

EvolvedSaurian

Since we had the English A-bomb and Welsh space program threads...

So... Any ideas? Was one of the current British CVNs built in Scotland? Could they claim rights to it?
 

birdy

EvolvedSaurian said:
Since we had the English A-bomb and Welsh space program threads...

So... Any ideas? Was one of the current British CVNs built in Scotland? Could they claim rights to it?
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I think at least one (possibly both) of the RN planned large fleet carriers are being built in Scotland.

So we've got the Great British Civil War- the English have 1 A-bomb, the Welsh have a way of launching spy satellites and the Scots have 2 CVN's

Where's that leave the Northern Irish?
 

EvolvedSaurian

birdie said:
I think at least one (possibly both) of the RN planned large fleet carriers are being built in Scotland.

So we've got the Great British Civil War- the English have 1 A-bomb, the Welsh have a way of launching spy satellites and the Scots have 2 CVN's

Where's that leave the Northern Irish?
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With spiked liquor? ;)
 

Jason

A few years back the SNP did draw up plans for the post-independence Scottish military, which included reforming several disbanded infantry regiments. They did include a small navy consisting of a handful of frigates and new build conventional subs, they didn't express any interest in even a Invincible-type carrier.
 
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Jason said:
A few years back the SNP did draw up plans for the post-independence Scottish military, which included reforming several disbanded infantry regiments. They did include a small navy consisting of a handful of frigates and new build conventional subs, they didn't express any interest in even a Invincible-type carrier.
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I shouldn't think any independent Scotland would have much interest in an interventionist foreign policy in any case.

There's also the issue of whether they could fund and support them. Remember we're only talking about a country of 5 million people here. Note that the last time Scotland had a separate navy (early 1700s) it had dwindled to three ships while England had several dozen.

It's losing places like Faslane that would worry me, not having the Scots try to claim part of the RN.
 

Tyr

The Scotish navy in the past was just a attempt at a status symbol with the odd bit of pirate battling.
They did have the first ever galleon iirc but...that's about it.

Any future Scotish military would likewise also probally be a status symbol- a future Scotland that declares its independance certainly doesn't have common sense and rational thought behind it. In all reality a independant Scotland could probally get away with being pacifist. Maybe a frigate or two to pick on Icelanders and thats it.
 

Jason

Leej said:
Any future Scotish military would likewise also probally be a status symbol- a future Scotland that declares its independance certainly doesn't have common sense and rational thought behind it. In all reality a independant Scotland could probally get away with being pacifist. Maybe a frigate or two to pick on Icelanders and thats it.
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the SNP actually wants a sizeable army, all current Scottish regiments in the British army plus several of the old disbanded infantry ones would be reraised. I don't think they plan to fight anyone, they just want an independent Scotland to do a lot of UN peacekeeping type stuff-I think they want to follow Canada's example. the navy was small but I think they wanted a reasonable number of frigates and sub (at least 4 of each I think) so they could take part in any UN naval opps. I'm also pretty sure the SNp said it would stay in NATO but Scotlan would be nuc-free.
 

Fellatio Nelson

I recall some sad muppet (not Scottish, but with Scottish "roots") had a website with a fictitious Scottish Navy - and probably an army and air force as well.

Basically, he took about a quarter of the RN and renamed the vessels. No real thinking as to the economic viability of it, or the need for it. I mean, did he realise quite how much a nuke costs to run and maintain? :confused:


They'd probably sustain a military little larger than that of the Irish Republic: a fair number of battalions for UN/NATO/EU ops and a navy and airforce that represents little more than a coastguard-cum-transport service.

If, however, all the Scots in the UK armed forces suddenly vanished, we'd be up a certain creek without a certain implement. :D
 

Landshark

Fellatio Nelson said:
I recall some sad muppet (not Scottish, but with Scottish "roots") had a website with a fictitious Scottish Navy - and probably an army and air force as well.

Basically, he took about a quarter of the RN and renamed the vessels. No real thinking as to the economic viability of it, or the need for it. I mean, did he realise quite how much a nuke costs to run and maintain? :confused:
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I remember that. Unfortunately it seems to have dissappeared but it was hilarious.

This is the only one I could find on the net at the moment:

Link
 

Jason

The SNP plan for the Scottish Navy

Their 1997 statement, gives SNP plans for the size of their new military:rolleyes:
http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/ge97/man/snp97.pdf
I can't find it on the net anywhere but I know at the time they even had pics of what the new Scottish military uniforms would be

Hidden in here is a bit more info, 7 frigates, actually not bad comapred to soem other NATO nations
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/officialReports/meetingsParliament/or-06/sor0504-02.htm
I do seem to recall they also say they will have 4 subs.

Then there's this, not SNP but another Scottish party, including 2 harrier carriers!
http://www.clannasaor.com/manifesto1.htm#defe
 

67th Tigers

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Which would be fine back before 1980, when Scotland overproduced soldiers by a large margin. Now it's like drawing blood trying to fill up Scottish regiments. At best Scotlands recruiting currently support 4 infantry battalions, and they're trying to fill up 6.

The RRS was the bullet they had to bite to keep the 5th line battalion. The Royal Scots Borderers were meant to be formed in 1992 (2 amalgamations were successful revoked, the RSB and the Cheshire and Staffordshire Rgt).
 

Jason

It's a shame I can't find the whole original document they produced back in 97 as it went into a lot of detail, even as far as how many aircraft each air force squadron would have!
 

Tyr

Jason said:
the SNP actually wants a sizeable army, all current Scottish regiments in the British army plus several of the old disbanded infantry ones would be reraised. I don't think they plan to fight anyone, they just want an independent Scotland to do a lot of UN peacekeeping type stuff-I think they want to follow Canada's example. the navy was small but I think they wanted a reasonable number of frigates and sub (at least 4 of each I think) so they could take part in any UN naval opps. I'm also pretty sure the SNp said it would stay in NATO but Scotlan would be nuc-free.
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Hence my comment about a lack of rational thought and common sense :p
 

Landshark

Jason said:
It's a shame I can't find the whole original document they produced back in 97 as it went into a lot of detail, even as far as how many aircraft each air force squadron would have!
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If it's the same group I'm thinking of not only did they list every piece of kit they also named the squadrons.

And that Clanwatsit bunch think Scotland can support both F-16's and F-15 fighter bombers.
 

Jason

Landshark said:
If it's the same group I'm thinking of not only did they list every piece of kit they also named the squadrons.
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I think you could be right. I know the Tories really went to town with the SNP on it, saying things like "you don't have a country yet you know what stitches will hold your army's clothes together!"
 
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