Say what? A thousand year old Kommnenian dynasty

:eek:Chapter XVIII the terror state of Andronikos
Now at the death of Alexandra Komnenos her son andronikos Komnenos was a very unique individual when he took the roman throne. You see he knew that monarchy could only last as long as people were ignorant and due to his terrible policies turn anger away from him. He soon created three slogans. War is peace, Freedom is slaver, and Ignorance is strength. Soon these slogans were drilled into the minds of the people in western kingdom. Every week they would hold a day of hate. Basically scapegoats would be taken and these scapegoats would be blamed for the harsh life the peasants faced as they were brutally executed. From childhood schools taught kids these slogans and drilled into their heads that their savior was andronikos whom they must serve loyally. By 1256 this had soon spread across the ki9ngdom and few opposed it. Andronikos created a secret police and work camps as he called them where he threw political; dissidents. The Nobility could do nothing in fear of the secret police known as the varangois. Soon the whole kingdom was under the control of these three slogans. Within a while materials were being produced at incredible rates as the army was being rebuilt. Andronikos soon became a man to be loved as he hung out with kids and spread propaganda showing him as a gentle man of the people. But in reality the camps were harsh and brutal. By 1260 only a few elite had control of 90 percent of the country. Andronikos was soon given utter and complete loyalty by his people.
By 1262 The pagans had overrun most of Scandinavia. In Britain due to the sudden death of Henry II a king of England, England fell into civil war. This war would last till 1334 leaving England in ruins with only death around and the deaths of over 400k people and a destroyed economy.
The Abbasids soon collapsed and with their collapse the last major Islamic power was the Sultanate of Seijuks and the Fatamids. However the iikhanite allied itself with the Pagan Kingdom of Anatolia and soon the two made plans to carve up the sultanate of seijuks. The King of the siejuks alp Arslan II watched the growing events warily. He knew if he did not act he would be completely crushed.


so how do people like the terror state, anyway here is the new update:eek:
srry for delay:D
 
The Komnenos don't cease to surprise me: In Anatolia they created a successful religion, in the Balkans the first authoritarian-dictatorial system... It remained only Syria-Palestine to made its move, i want too see what its rulers will invent to remain step by step with the other Komnenid nations. :D

Also, i hope to see soon in action the Assassin state of Costantinople... they remained too quiet for my taste. ;)
 
Chapter XIX: The last Bastion of Christianity in the east the Kingdom of Jerusalem
Now the year is 1336 and most of the Mideast and Eastern Europe follows the religion of the god emperor, while the kingdom of western Rhomanoi became a terror state one country remained untouched. He Kingdom of Jerusalem under Manuel IV was a place of peace and harmony. Under the reign of Manuel III the Kingdom of Jerusalem had an immense population of Jews and Muslims but now by Manuel IV ascension over 790 percent of the people were Christians. How did this happen? Well in the reign of Manuel III Andronikos Alexius II and Alexius II the Kingdom of Jerusalem established a harsh policy of conversion. They taxed non-Christians heavily and discriminated. It was quite simple either the people convert to Christianity or they die. The Assassin group was used widely, the Assassins soon terrorized the populace and propaganda was spread making Imams and Rabbi look like evil beings from hell. By 1294 nearly all resistance was wiped out and people converted to Christianity in fear of being killed brutally by the assassins. Thus by the reign of Manuel IV the children of the conquered peoples learned in Christian schools which were also places filled with missionaries as teachers, thus by the third generation most of the kids had become Christians. Thus by Manuel IV Ascension much of the populace was Christian. However unlike previous rulers Manuel was Just. The populace who always followed his whim loved him. He would go out and greet the townspeople of Jerusalem, regularly visit his kingdoms tons and villages. He established a series of road networks. He also created a postal service. Built many baths, conducted population census, built canal and promoted agriculture. He was a King who looked out for the people and thus he was adored and followed. He let the people have a say in how the Kingdom should be run. He made friends with the Nobility, lowered taxes and reformed the army and created the navy of Jerusalem. The Navy of Jerusalem was also created at this time period. Thus overall while the other Kingdoms were in chaos Jerusalemum was the last beacon of hope and goodness.
 
maybe because it belongs in the ASB section? A surving Byzantine empire is one thing, but the insane levels of wanking you've done? Also love the fact that M16s somehow exist in this universe, despit the fact that they weren't invented until the Vietnam war in OTL. You could've just said "assault rifles" but no. You where very clear on them being M16s. Ever heard of the butterfly effect? If so you'd know how stupid it is to have a US gun (the US probably wouldn't exist either) that wasn't invented until the 20th century with a POD in the 11th. I recomend you read Thande's Look To The West for an idea of how to do it right, or hell, if you want a timeline that's light on events but heavy on culture go to the Anglo-Dutch Empire. Or maybe you just wanted to do a bit of medieval fun playing around with events? Then go to Cadavera Vero Innumera for the right way to that. Otherwise I recomend the ASB board. Before you complain there have been plenty of good timeline on ASB. Damsels And Dirigibles. Green Antarctica, etc. But if you want to have it here you need to tone down the wanking, pay close attention to the butterfly effect, and go into greater cultural and political detail.
 
maybe because it belongs in the ASB section? A surving Byzantine empire is one thing, but the insane levels of wanking you've done? Also love the fact that M16s somehow exist in this universe, despit the fact that they weren't invented until the Vietnam war in OTL. You could've just said "assault rifles" but no. You where very clear on them being M16s. Ever heard of the butterfly effect? If so you'd know how stupid it is to have a US gun (the US probably wouldn't exist either) that wasn't invented until the 20th century with a POD in the 11th. I recomend you read Thande's Look To The West for an idea of how to do it right, or hell, if you want a timeline that's light on events but heavy on culture go to the Anglo-Dutch Empire. Or maybe you just wanted to do a bit of medieval fun playing around with events? Then go to Cadavera Vero Innumera for the right way to that. Otherwise I recomend the ASB board. Before you complain there have been plenty of good timeline on ASB. Damsels And Dirigibles. Green Antarctica, etc. But if you want to have it here you need to tone down the wanking, pay close attention to the butterfly effect, and go into greater cultural and political detail.


Listen the first few posts were a joke. Alright the whole beggining scen was a
joke. It started to get serious with Alexius victory at dyrachion in Which bohemund and guiscard die. This throws Sicily into chaos allowing the
Byzantines to emerge victorious. Next in this tl sultan of seijuks is defeated and he dies!!!! With the seijuk sultan dead his empire fractures apart. You know full well how unstable the great seijuk empire was. Next byzzies thus sieze Anatolia in the chaos. It is not asb. Next at Alexius death the byzzies have regained Anatolia, jerusalum splits from the seijuks but due to the
massive war the various seijuk powers are broken allowing the byzzies to fill a gap. Next the whole conquest of Egypt is ASB. It was supposed to be ignored. Next the assasin s were created because they would act as detterants and protectors of the komnenian family. I see nothing ASB about this. In this tl The Christian powers of Spain are defeated completly plausable IMO. In this tl you
see the birth of a new relegion. You say ASB but in that case wouldn't the rise of Islam be considered ASB??? How could a freaking Nomad preaching a faith create the second largest relegion in the world. Thus god emperor relegion is not asb. Next The Mongols invaded Russia, in this tl they get attracted to the god emperor relegion. Not ASB, they spread that relegion across Russia. I also included the various power grabs and etc. Next because the empire
overextended it split into three. One ruler created a terror state, so what it's more plausable than how a man named genghis who had nothing forged a massive empire. My tl is basically how to make Byzantium into a superpower by 2010 AD. Alright, this tl is researched very well, alright next I make it seem funny okay. Next be patient I am only inthe year 1337 ok I have another 8
centuries to go. That empire I showed is as plausable as how a cold island nation at the edge of the known world became a
massive power ruling a vast amount of land. But that isn't ASB is it.
Your arguments are all invalid, I have just proved why my tl is plausable. So just sit tight and follow the tl.

Also don't underestimate me Byzantine empire is my specialty...;)



Btw should I delete my first few posts those posts were supposed to be a joke as I stated way back then. Alright I hope I answered your questions my good sir..
 
" Bastion of hope and goodnes"... how ironic. To me, it seemed too "insane" the goodwill of Manuel respect to the "normalcy" of the family... A black sheep indeed. :D

To broke a spear in favor of Alexius, i will remember the first posts were writed with a more serious tone and later, with also the general consensus of the partecipants in the discussion, assumed a more joking style... And however to my regards he wasn't surely the first in the entire forum to imagine a Byzantine wank and not the last (for example, later i will post a world map with a great Byzantine Empire in the apposite thread)... looking to the original map he posted he doesn't seemed a enormous wank after all.

I defend this work because i'm sure of the good will of Alexius to write initially a not ASB TL, and for me the story can remain here normally.
 
There's a big difference between being more sucessful and having the huge amounts of real estate you desribed. Plus you didn't even touch on the main issue, which is the lack of butterfly effect. Hell, Thande's look to the west has a POD in the 1700s, and even there technology has allready gone on a massivly different course. Hell! look at how many things have different names! Oxyegen is called Illuftium, feminism is called cytherianism, etc. The Byzantines having "M16s" is just stupid and lazy. Technology would've devolped along a different path (and thus assualt rifes might not even exist, and if they did might not even be called assault rifles) the very idea that they would have assault rifles called M16s is beyond implausible.
 
There's a big difference between being more sucessful and having the huge amounts of real estate you desribed. Plus you didn't even touch on the main issue, which is the lack of butterfly effect. Hell, Thande's look to the west has a POD in the 1700s, and even there technology has allready gone on a massivly different course. Hell! look at how many things have different names! Oxyegen is called Illuftium, feminism is called cytherianism, etc. The Byzantines having "M16s" is just stupid and lazy. Technology would've devolped along a different path (and thus assualt rifes might not even exist, and if they did might not even be called assault rifles) the very idea that they would have assault rifles called M16s is beyond implausible.

I surely not context the ability of Thande, Basileus Giorgios or other older TL writers, but it seems unfair to me criticize if were used in a start of a TL the terms "M16" or "assault rifles"; but maybe i'm a bit upset because the concept of butterflies for me seemed too restrictive, even if logically i recognize that a surviving ERE could take to a different technological path, etc. Naturally, i always said everyone could criticize or praise a TL, but we are still here by few months, so some "mistakes" could be easily forgiven.
 
There's a big difference between being more sucessful and having the huge amounts of real estate you desribed. Plus you didn't even touch on the main issue, which is the lack of butterfly effect. Hell, Thande's look to the west has a POD in the 1700s, and even there technology has allready gone on a massivly different course. Hell! look at how many things have different names! Oxyegen is called Illuftium, feminism is called cytherianism, etc. The Byzantines having "M16s" is just stupid and lazy. Technology would've devolped along a different path (and thus assualt rifes might not even exist, and if they did might not even be called assault rifles) the very idea that they would have assault rifles called M16s is beyond implausible.


Rkhan read my post. Byzzies don't have M16 that whole first chapter was a joke ignore it.


Youcall me a wanker:.. Well how come mongols ruled a massive empire or how did Britain get so big. The wank is plausabep because such wanks occured in otl to the spaniards, brtish, Russians and mongols ok hisory is unpredictable and you should no that fully welL. I know butterflies are important, that first post is incorrect plz read through the whole thread
 
Or if you want something that's mildly fun to write and play around with the butterflies while remaining strictly plausible, look to the Navatlacas.
 
Or if you want something that's mildly fun to write and play around with the butterflies while remaining strictly plausible, look to the Navatlacas.

Ringo it is not a playful tl this is a serious tl told in a funny manneer. This tl is plausable. Like I listed above due to those reasons this tl is plausable read what I wrote. Their are a ton of butterflies in this tl yes but that does not make it implausable;)
 
Ringo it is not a playful tl this is a serious tl told in a funny manneer. This tl is plausable. Like I listed above due to those reasons this tl is plausable read what I wrote. Their are a ton of butterflies in this tl yes but that does not make it implausable;)

Yes, so does BG's Issac's Empire but that TL is actually plausible.
 
Yes, so does BG's Issac's Empire but that TL is actually plausible.

I know his is plausable but mine too is possible. Why can't their be a new relegion? Hmph Islam rose out of nothing, Christianity rose out of nothing it is not ASB. Assasins are not asb ever hear of the hashasheen Ringo? Varangians were in otl. In this tl like I will repeat Alexius wins at dyrachion okay Bohemund and guiscard die. That means their is no heir to inherit the apulia throne which throws apulia and calbria into chaos. The byzzies then get aid from Venezia an close ally of the byzzies. Ever heard of dominco and teodoras marriage? Thus Venice lent ships for specialtrade rights So under competant leadership Sicily fell



Anatolian conquest ok: in this tl te seijuk sultan dies!!! The seijuk empire was in a very unstable position. With the sultan dead it split apart into many factions. Said factions fought wars that destroyed themselves. Alexius took his time to reform te army and then Launch an invasion of Anatolia. He used divide an conquer to destroy the Seijuk successors. Is that so ASb. Next for jerusalum, then part ofthe fatamids, in this tl a massive war is fought
beetween the fatamids and seijuks successors leading to a seijuk jerusalum. However this splits off from the empire and the byzzies take he oppurtunity and sieze it. That is even less ASB than how a bunch of horse nomads brought down the most civilized empires of the world. Now I said Egypt was never
conquered. Next after alexius the emperors following were reformers and innovators. Not ASB. In otl John and Manuel were both very competant successors of Alexius. In this tl however with manpower base of Anatolia restored the byzzies launch the new found manpower and conquer Bulgaria. Bosnia and Serbia are still under Roman control. Next Crimea was still in byzziy hands.


So far none of this is asb is it ringo:?


Let's continue I recieved word that the empire was far too big, alrigh I split it into three states. The relegion of the god emperors rise is as ASB as the rise of christianity or Islam. It appealed to many people and found converts. In this tl the rus get attracted to this new relegion and it wins converts. When the mongols invade they too convert to this wonderful relegion. Thus it's rise is as ASB as the rise of other relegions so It is plausable.
Next the terror state, completly plausable because if you did not know Andronicos Komnenos was a guy whocreated suh a state in Byzantium.
Thus none of this is asb


So ringo tell me based of what you've read Which parts are ASB I would love to know.



I will just say this I am an avid researcher of roman history and the time period I am perfect with is the Komnenian restoration. I have read Alexiad, read various books In the komnenians their rise, etc, read books on crusades, watched manydocumentories they are my specialty. Thus I though this whole tl through. However sadly on this site not many know of the komnenian restoration or any tls on it. I agree BG wrote an excellent tl but this is a POD where Byzantium succeeds as a power after Manzikert It is too prove that Byzantium still had hope even after they lost at Manzikert.



Hope I answered your questions ringo.
 
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