Saving the Qing Dynasty

Is the Qing Dynasty saveable with a POD of after 1900? If yes, then how? What would most likely be the present situation of a modern Qing Dynasty?
 
A POD after 1900 is just before Puyi (started rule 1908). That's too late - besides, by then, you have Cixi meddling in everything and withstanding every reform attempt.
 
A POD after 1900 is just before Puyi (started rule 1908). That's too late - besides, by then, you have Cixi meddling in everything and withstanding every reform attempt.
Then could the Beiyang army save the Qing if it stayed loyal? The Chinese Republic would probably be stamped out if the Beiyang was on the Emperor's side.
 
Then could the Beiyang army save the Qing if it stayed loyal? The Chinese Republic would probably be stamped out if the Beiyang was on the Emperor's side.

Probably, but that doesn't change the fact that ethnic Han Chinese viewed the Manchu Aisin Gioro as invaders (therefore making it unlikely that Beiyang Army would support them). What the Qing need is a Meiji :p much much earlier, and somehow integrate themselves better with the Han. Before Cixi can meddle and before Yuan Shikai can get his contacts in the Army.
 
If Cixi died in 1900 and then a series of fortunate events happened then Qing can survive.

Those would have to be very very fortunate. Almost ASB-level.

How late at most? The 1870s?

IMHO what you need is Cixi never coming to mean anything, so Xianfeng not marrying her, so no Tongzhi Emperor. Alternately, a more successful Tongzhi Restoration preceded by Cixi dying/getting successfully exiled.
 

MrP

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I don't remember where I saw this, but I think Cixi was actually pro-reformist for a period of time.
In the last few years of her life she was, but it was a textbook example of too little, too late.

Now if you move the goalposts from saving the Qing dynasty specifically to saving China's imperial regime in general, try the Superpower Empire TL (or With Iron and Fire as it's been known since being commercially released).
 
try the Superpower Empire TL (or With Iron and Fire as it's been known since being commercially released).
I've read that brilliant TL. In fact, it was the first ever TL I read while lurking, and still my favorite by far.
 
I don't remember where I saw this, but I think Cixi was actually pro-reformist for a period of time.
Wasn't the problem that the imperial family was actually completely sheltered from reality and oblivious to what was happening?

It seems to me the counselors were the biggest issue
 
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