Saving the Crown

What was the last possible moment the following monarchies could have been saved?

Russia

Germany (all of em)

Austria-Hungary
 
What was the last possible moment the following monarchies could have been saved?

Russia

Germany (all of em)

Austria-Hungary

Russia, saved as in not abolished, then Michael needs to accept the crown instead of telling the Duma reps he'll take it when THEY come back and ask him to because they didn't

Germany... More complex

The Habsburgs, well Karl could have got Hungary back perhaps...so up to his death since the monarchy was never abolished there

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
If the Whites successfully rescue Nicholas II and his family from the Bolsheviks and use them as a rally point to unite the various White factions to overthrow the Communists, you might preserve the Russian monarchy, although it would probably be Alexis as the next Czar (due to Nick's unpopularity and the fact he'd abdicated).
 
What was the last possible moment the following monarchies could have been saved?

Russia

Germany (all of em)

Austria-Hungary


Let's see.

Putin appears to be interested in the old Romanov Family as a means of claiming royal heritage. Having a house of Romanov-Putin might happen, its hard to know.

The Hohenzollerns are still around today, but I doubt they'd be able to retake the throne of Germany after WW1--and there was some nastiness in WW2 where one of them said: Where Hitler leads, a Hohenzollern can follow.

The German Laender have various royal families dating before the reunification. If they take views hostile to Nazi Germany, they might be supported by the Allies if they decide to regain some power. They'll never be anything more than figureheads in a post-ww2 Germany.

Austria and the Hapsburgs is one of the real fascinating post-war stories. After the war, MI-6 was in detailed communication with Otto II, whom probably would have been returned as Kaiser if France and the United States agreed and the Political situation in Austria demanded it. (Karl Renner didn't need this)

As for political continuity:

The Russian Czar simply had too much power, and Russia was too autocratic to survive as effectively an absolute monarchy surrounded by nations more democratic to itself. Nicholas II refused to reform the country--and was forced to abdicate as a result. His brother was Czar for a day but did nothing with his powers. Unless the Whites win the war with a Romanov behind them, the Monarchy in Russia is gone.

Germany's Overthrow of the Kaiser stems from Wilhelm II's lack of military aptitude and his reliance on his top officers to keep the army behind them--which they didn't. Assuming that these rebellions did not occur, signing the Treaty of Versallies would be the kiss of death for his reign.

Austria-Hungary is interesting because this is the one the Hapsburgs could have continued on. There were several coup attempts against Admiral Horthy in favor of Otto Hapsburg, and if things had played differently at least one part might have kept the Hapsburgs going.
 
If the Whites successfully rescue Nicholas II and his family from the Bolsheviks and use them as a rally point to unite the various White factions to overthrow the Communists, you might preserve the Russian monarchy, although it would probably be Alexis as the next Czar (due to Nick's unpopularity and the fact he'd abdicated).

NO!!!!, the "Whites" aren't monarchists (some are, but not all and not even most!)

one of the hopes for the Russian Monarchy is a Japanese back rump state in the far east, or the early death of Lenin leading to in fighting between the Bolsheviks


any way, Alexis is dying, he was by the end of his life doing what teenaged boys do, taking needless risks, he'll be dead by 18, Nicky is deeply unpopular and the unpopularity can be spread onto Alexis and Michael,

i love the idea of a Rump State headed by Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich, who in OTL was elected Czar by the Zemsky Sobor in 1922 at the end of the Civil War
 
Ah well, I defined "save" in my answer as meaning prevent it being abolished in the first place, hence why I answered the way I did. If it was RESTORE then I would have answered differently

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
I would think that any of the three monarchies could survive if the monarchs had ceded power earlier to an elected government. I don't think Nicholas or Wilhelm could survive personally. In Russia I think there was a strong anti-monarchist movement. But, unless I am mistaken, the anti-monarchist movements in Germany and A-H were small (but vocal) until defeat in the war spurred them on. I almost think that Germany became a republic by happenstance rather than design. I also tend to think that if Karl could have pushed through his federalist plan faster, he would have kept his throne.
 
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