Saving Animals from Extinction

I have an idea for a dodo survival: Settlers of South Asian descent landed in Mauritius and domesticated some dodos, making it source of food and decorations :)eek:?!?!)
 
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Well, there are different ways in which people define species. Haven't neanderthals and denisovans both been scientifically proven as subspecies of our own, defined by their ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring, as can be seen in the genome of modern humans? And with at least four separate populations of orca populations in the wild which have thus far been unable to be interbred in captivity, even through artificial insemination, surely this should be seen as conclusive proof that these aren't just races or even subspecies, but that each is in fact a separate species within the Orca family? Stop being overly pedantic, try not to troll, and try to lend sort though towards the original WI question.

(BTW, if this is for an ASB ATL, then shouldn't it be in that forum? just saying...)

I was only talking about the official qualification of those animals. If you don't like it and prefer to consider chow-chows different species came from Saturn that's your own problem with your own world of fantasy.
 

mowque

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Does anyone know why the sea-cows were already on the way out by the 18th century? Surely being hunted by the natives could not have decimated their numbers so entirely?

There is no reason to think natives weren't a major factor. It doesn't take many kills for a slow breeding animals like the sea cow to be advesely effected. Even a 'small' amount of native hunting could easily have been enough to push it over the edge.

Granted, there were probably other more natural factors invovled.
 
The Ivory-billed Woodpecker could easily be saved through better preservation efforts in the Southeastern US, say, a preserve in the Mississippi Valley lowlands of Arkansas or Louisiana.
 

SunDeep

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I was only talking about the official qualification of those animals. If you don't like it and prefer to consider chow-chows different species came from Saturn that's your own problem with your own world of fantasy.

And I'm just talking about the official definition system, and saying that even the conservation of subspecies still matters when we're talking about maintaining biodiversity. And the 'chow-chows from Saturn' comment? Seriously, grow up...
 
And I'm just talking about the official definition system, and saying that even the conservation of subspecies still matters when we're talking about maintaining biodiversity. And the 'chow-chows from Saturn' comment? Seriously, grow up...

I haven't said that these subspecies were not up to be conserved. And please, reduce your levels of butthurt, it's not good for health...
 
There is no reason to think natives weren't a major factor. It doesn't take many kills for a slow breeding animals like the sea cow to be advesely effected. Even a 'small' amount of native hunting could easily have been enough to push it over the edge.

Granted, there were probably other more natural factors invovled.
One of these factors was probably the same problem that faces the Giant Panda and the Cheetah today: overspecialization. It was so perfectly adapted for floating that it couldn't climb up on land or adequately submerge itself. This probably made it incredibly vulnerable to a number of natural risks. I'm reminded of the proverb "the tree that does not bend with the storm will be uprooted".
 

SunDeep

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Seeing as how oshron said when he posted this thread that it was supposed to be for his ASB ATL, why can't the said ASB just be a conservationist, abducting viable breeding population of any critically endangered species for his space zoo? Problem solved...
 
(BTW, if this is for an ASB ATL, then shouldn't it be in that forum? just saying...)
Seeing as how oshron said when he posted this thread that it was supposed to be for his ASB ATL, why can't the said ASB just be a conservationist, abducting viable breeding population of any critically endangered species for his space zoo? Problem solved...
i just say "my ASB ATL" to explain what larger project this is for. when i make posts like these, i'm generally looking at them as self-contained scenarios and will be adapting this more or less OTL discussion to the ATL. i'm considering events already in progress or which were directly and deliberately human-caused as being irreversible (so, for example, the Guadalupe caracara is still wiped out because it's extinction was a deliberate effort by mankind, while the warrah was already rare by the time the Europeans arrived at the Falklands, thus they still go extinct as well; contrast: the ivory-billed woodpecker is not only actually still alive today, but i'm almost assuredly going to make them a protected species earlier ITTL based on discussion here)
 
Elephant Bird
Laughing Owl
Quagga
Cape Verde Giant Skink (though i think this one actually isn't extinct)
Spectacled Bird
Mamo
Stellar's Sea Cow
Choiseul Pigeon
Great Auk
Syrian Wild Ass
Columba jouyi
Grey's Wallaby
Painted Vulture
Tasmanian Tiger (aka Thylacine)
Dawson's Caribou
Palestinian Painted Frog
Vegas Valley Leopard Frog
Dodo
Paradise Parrot
West Indian Monk Seal
Dwarf Elephant
Ivory-billed Woodpecker (though i think this one actually isn't extinct)
Wrangel Island Mammoth (this one would be REALLY stretching it)
Javan Tiger
any help on this?
Any on islands would have to delay humans coming to them until the modern era with actual concerns for wildlife. The Mammoth you can't inbreeding really did them in. The equines, you have to give them a larger range than what they historically had which allows them to escape human hunters for the most part.
 

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I was wondering if we could also include some other cool species like the Syriac and North African elephants, European and Barbary lions, mao-nalo, moa, Haast's eagle, auroch, Falklands Island wolf, Toolache, sea mink and the Atlas bear?

Granted some of them might require some really far back PODs, but the sea mink was 1860, the wolf in 1876 and the bear in 1890, so I'm sure they can be more manageable.
You'd need a POD that prevents Roman expansion into Africa to save the Elephants.
 
Yes I have, but that was in the science-fantasy genre not fictional history one. Mammoths used as war elephants and kept nicely groomed.

I'm trying to figure out how to save the Llamas that once lived in the American south east. They were much larger than the current ones and would have been a suitable horse replacement, but horses were here then too.
 
I'm trying to figure out how to save the Llamas that once lived in the American south east. They were much larger than the current ones and would have been a suitable horse replacement, but horses were here then too.
domestication by the ancient Amerindians would probably be a fair bet.
 
Isn't there a TL where that happens? Can't remember the name.

there probably is, but i wouldn't know. generally speaking, domestication is a good way to prevent an animal from dying out even if wild populations go extinct and the domestic forms are much different.
 
I have an idea for a dodo survival: Settlers of South Asian descent landed in Mauritius and domesticated some dodos, making it source of food and decorations :)eek:?!?!)

No need for that. It's proved by 17th century paints that some dodos were sent to the gardens of some imperial palaces in India. If Dutch would have sent more there and breed, maybe dodo could have survived outside Mauritius (survival in the island, even if domesticated, would have been very complicated after some undesired species invaded it).

Survival in India would have been easier than in Europe, as apparently, all dodos sent to the Netherlands and England died soon.
 
No need for that. It's proved by 17th century paints that some dodos were sent to the gardens of some imperial palaces in India. If Dutch would have sent more there and breed, maybe dodo could have survived outside Mauritius (survival in the island, even if domesticated, would have been very complicated after some undesired species invaded it).

Survival in India would have been easier than in Europe, as apparently, all dodos sent to the Netherlands and England died soon.

But that raises an interesting question: are we talking about "survival" or "surviving and thriving", as in "just have the species exist to the present day" vs. "have the species exist to the present day in its original habitat"? Because it's pretty easy to get something like the Dodo to live on as a pet/curiousity species in India, but I wouldn't exactly call that "saving the Dodo".
 
But that raises an interesting question: are we talking about "survival" or "surviving and thriving", as in "just have the species exist to the present day" vs. "have the species exist to the present day in its original habitat"? Because it's pretty easy to get something like the Dodo to live on as a pet/curiousity species in India, but I wouldn't exactly call that "saving the Dodo".
"exist to the present day" is what i had intended, even if the animal is extinct in the wild (i'm envisioning that that's how the heath hen could persist, since the last population was essentially in captivity at Martha's Vineyard)
 
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