Save the Carolina Parakeet!

Four extinct North American birds, in ascending order of ATL save-ability. The first two are in the pre-1900 forum.

4) The Carolina Parakeet. God I love this bird. What a stupid, stupid waste!

Ahem. Birder moment there. Sorry.

Ah... the Carolina Parakeet. A small blue and green parrot, fond of eating seeds and cockleburrs. Once found all over east and central North America, as far north as Wisconsin and southern New England (yes, really) and as far west as Nebraska and Oklahoma, it was the only parrot species fully adapted to a temperate zone. A flock was seen frolicking in fresh snow outside Albany in the 1820s, and there are unconfirmed reports of sightings as far north as the Dakotas and Maine.

It was a quintessentially American bird, found over a large part of the US but /only/ in the US. Like _Homo Sapiens_, it was a bright, adaptable tropical species that, under the impetus of the ice ages, successfully shifted to living in the temperate zones. Apes and parrots are tropical beasts; only one ape species can tolerate cold winters, and there was only one parrot species that learned to do the same. Somehow I feel we should have taken better care of it because of that.

Anyway. When you ask a person to name an extinct bird, you almost always get the same response: the dodo. The dodo was ugly, clumsy, stupid, and found only on a handful of islands. Yet it's become the model for bird extinction somehow.

The Carolina Parakeet was handsome, graceful, friendly and intelligent, and spread over a dozen American states. And it's almost completely forgotten today.

Yet it was part of American history. All the early explorers mention "flocks of squawking parrots", and Jefferson had a cage of them at the White House. But not one American in a hundred is aware that there ever was such a bird. Even its official name robs it of its proper place, as if it lived in two smallish states instead of ranging from Florida to Minnesota.

Last one died in captivity in 1914, though unconfirmed sightings went on into the '30s.

Why it went extinct: It was widely but thinly spread. Another communal nester and breeder, though not as bad as the passenger. And tasty -- there are lots of 19th century recipes for parakeet pie.

It also seems to have been painfully vulnerable to human predation. Ecologically naive, the parakeets would flock to aid a wounded member. This means that a hunter could shoot one, then just sit and wait... the entire flock would show up, circling and squawking and even landing on the ground, and a hunter could bag the lot.

Also, it was a popular pet. Hunters would cheerfully kill a hundred to get one for sale.

How to save it: Dammit, it should have been saved... ah, sorry. But this one isn't so hard. Just _one_ good captive breeding program. The bird was semimigratory, but it shouldn't have been that hard to devise a conservation program.

Knock-on effects: Imagine looking out your window and seeing little blue parrots fluttering around in your yard, searching under the autumn leaves for seeds and nuts... without having to take any drugs first. What more do you want, egg in your beer?

Okay, ecologically, the CP seems to have enjoyed snacking on burrs and other weeds; it'd probably have some modest impact on plant pests.

Thoughts?


Doug M.
 

NothingNow

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Have the Pet trade go for captive breeding early on (it allows for selective breeding and Color morphs, like the budgie), and have the general mood toward them be sort of Ambivalent. Also, any moves to protect the Ivory Billed Woodpecker will protect the Carolina parakeet as well.

The Relevant Audubon print:
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I read somewhere that the last one in captivity died in 1918, four years after Martha. Would it not be possible to clone the parakeet and passenger pigeon? People are talking about cloning mammoths; if it is even plausible to do it to an ice age creature, why not one which has been gone less than 100 years.
 

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I read somewhere that the last one in captivity died in 1918, four years after Martha. Would it not be possible to clone the parakeet and passenger pigeon? People are talking about cloning mammoths; if it is even plausible to do it to an ice age creature, why not one which has been gone less than 100 years.
I can tell you now, the odds that any DNA is salvageable from Martha or any other parakeet is slim to none.
That's due to the methods of preservation used. Formaldehyde seriously damages DNA. where as It's not that odd a notion for mammoth genes to be salvageable, considering how some one managed to find one well enough preserved to still be Edible.
 
One thought that's not totally implausible: suppose John Muir alerted his good friend Theodore Roosevelt that both the Carolina parakeet and the passenger pigeon were in grave danger of extinction--say, around 1902? The pair (perhaps along with Gifford Pinchot) would have set up a modest program offering a bounty for live, healthy specimens that could be bred in zoos (say, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Bronx), thus keeping the species extant.

It would be a distant forerunner of the endangered species programs in place today, but it just might work.

I have a life-size picture of Carolina parakeets going after the safflower seeds on my platform feeder, or the peanuts in my peanut feeder in my back yard--and I live in southern NJ, maybe fifteen miles from Philadelphia. Not a bad thought at all.
 
They look green to me, Doug, not blue...but that's a minor quibble. You're right, they should still be around today. Something like the early Nature Conservancy set up mentioned in the Ivory Billed Woodpecker thread might help, but I have a feeling the deliciousness and pet trade will ruin them anyways...have you noticed that 3 of the 4 birds you've put up were described as being good eating? And the other one required pretty big amounts of undisturbed habitat. Maybe if they just evolved to be repulsive instead of delicious...
 

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They look green to me, Doug, not blue...but that's a minor quibble. You're right, they should still be around today. Something like the early Nature Conservancy set up mentioned in the Ivory Billed Woodpecker thread might help, but I have a feeling the deliciousness and pet trade will ruin them anyways...have you noticed that 3 of the 4 birds you've put up were described as being good eating? And the other one required pretty big amounts of undisturbed habitat. Maybe if they just evolved to be repulsive instead of delicious...
Actually I wouldn't call it Undisturbed, so much as highly sensitive. With decent Forest management, you could probably keep them around while getting a decent return on the property, even if you're just growing Saw Palmetto or something.
 

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If they could have put Bag Limits on Parakeets and Passenger Pigeons, and actually enforced them, it'd do a lot to keep the population stable.
The Wound one, and bag the rest thing might help with enforcement, since it would make it easy for a Hunter to catch enough to satisfy the pet trade.
 
The Carolina Parakeet ate an annoying insect that bothered crops. Spread
the info to farmers that they're good to keep around and OTL might have been different.
 
Unfortunately, they also took on the crops from time to time, particularly in orchards. Hence, a lot of farmers didn't have too many qualms about killing the birds more or less indiscriminately.

Idle thought: while we're at it, would it be possible for British naturalists in the mid-to-late 1860s or so begin a movement to save the quagga, a zebra-like equine of Africa?
 

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Unfortunately, they also took on the crops from time to time, particularly in orchards. Hence, a lot of farmers didn't have too many qualms about killing the birds more or less indiscriminately.

Idle thought: while we're at it, would it be possible for British naturalists in the mid-to-late 1860s or so begin a movement to save the quagga, a zebra-like equine of Africa?
They'd probably capture several for Zoos and Private herds, with some being trained as Guard animals, as they occasionally were IOTL.
 
If they could have put Bag Limits on Parakeets and Passenger Pigeons, and actually enforced them, it'd do a lot to keep the population stable.
The Wound one, and bag the rest thing might help with enforcement, since it would make it easy for a Hunter to catch enough to satisfy the pet trade.

And Wiki says they were "easy" to breed in captivity--have someone realize that it makes a lot more sense to breed them for the pet and feather trade (that way, like with dogs, you can get interesting and specialized morphs) in, say, the 1880s or 1870s, instead of hunting them. Then they'll likely survive easily.
 

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And Wiki says they were "easy" to breed in captivity--have someone realize that it makes a lot more sense to breed them for the pet and feather trade (that way, like with dogs, you can get interesting and specialized morphs) in, say, the 1880s or 1870s, instead of hunting them. Then they'll likely survive easily.
Oh, hell, they'd be almost as cheap as Budgies or Cockatiels. And likely more ubiquitous.
Heck, it's not an issue if they escape either!

I wonder if Monk Parrots, Budgies et al will be able to get a foothold in the US ITTL, and if the Carolina establishes Feral populations elsewhere around the world.
 
It was a quintessentially American bird, found over a large part of the US but /only/ in the US. Like _Homo Sapiens_, it was a bright, adaptable tropical species that, under the impetus of the ice ages, successfully shifted to living in the temperate zones. Apes and parrots are tropical beasts; only one ape species can tolerate cold winters, and there was only one parrot species that learned to do the same. Somehow I feel we should have taken better care of it because of that.
Err... In addition to genus Homo (erectus, heidelbergensis, neandertalensis and sapiens), you have Macaca fuscata the Japanese Macaque (otherwise known as Snow Monkey), see http://www.google.com/images?client...tle&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQsAQwAA&biw=1024&bih=576

I believe there are primates in the Himalayas, too, but I may be misremembering.

The species ARE few and far between, which was your point.
 
Err... In addition to genus Homo (erectus, heidelbergensis, neandertalensis and sapiens), you have Macaca fuscata the Japanese Macaque (otherwise known as Snow Monkey), see http://www.google.com/images?client...tle&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQsAQwAA&biw=1024&bih=576

I believe there are primates in the Himalayas, too, but I may be misremembering.

The species ARE few and far between, which was your point.

he specifically said 'apes', though... yes, there are several monkey species that live in cold areas, but only one ape, he says (not sure which one that is, unless it's people :))
 
Yah, I meant apes, with us being the only one.

There are about 20 other ape species, but every single one is restricted to the tropics.


Doug M.
 
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