Save one extinct Royal House/Imperial Dynasty
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Where does the name Liudolfinger originate from? I’ve always seen/heard people just refer to them as the “Ottonians.”
From what I found, it’s refers to this guy, Liudolf, Duke of Saxony, who started the Ottonians. It was named Ottonian Dynasty because of the first Holy Roman Emperor Otto I being a member of that House
The Jagiellonian Dynasty could survive if Anna Jagiellon and her nephew Zygmunt Wasa used the same excuse to continue the dynasty that used Tsarina Elisabeth for his nephew Peter, future Tsar Peter III two century later.
Tsarina Elisabeth made the words "Grandson of Peter the Great" a part of the titles used by his nephew who was in reality a Holstein-Gottorp and not a Romanov. He was only a Romanov by his mother.
Same excuse could have been used for Zygmunt Waza, adopted by his aunt as a Jagiellon ans succeeding to his great-father and his aunt, both King of Poland. Even the aunt was King of Poland as elected on this title by the Polish Szlachta.
She probably could have keep the throne after her husband death, Stefan Bathory, because she was the one elected and not him.
Tsarina Elisabeth made the words "Grandson of Peter the Great" a part of the titles used by his nephew who was in reality a Holstein-Gottorp and not a Romanov. He was only a Romanov by his mother.
Same excuse could have been used for Zygmunt Waza, adopted by his aunt as a Jagiellon ans succeeding to his great-father and his aunt, both King of Poland. Even the aunt was King of Poland as elected on this title by the Polish Szlachta.
She probably could have keep the throne after her husband death, Stefan Bathory, because she was the one elected and not him.
In PLC Sigismund III's line was seen as continuation of Jagiellons, but due to their claim to Swedish throne they would not drop legacy of their Vasa side.
Interesting POD will be for Zygmunt III to negotiate with his uncle to drop his claim on the swedish throne in exchange for the Northern Inflanty (Estonia) going to the Commonwealth.
And uncle and nephew will create an alliance between Sweden and Polish-Lithuania against Russia in the east and Denmark in the west. Sweden and PLC will kept Russia far from the Baltic Sea and PLC will let Sweden go after Denmark while in OTL Denmark was often Polish ally...
One thought concerning the Nasirids of Granada. Is retaining sovereignty over that bit mandatory as such?
I just have a mental image of them either setting up shop as a Ruling House in "Barbary", a near pathologically persistent set of pretenders either there or elsewhere in Dar ul Islam, or perhaps even (due to a far less dogmatic replacement for Isabel de Trastámara y de Aviz) a line of Spanish nobles-if-not-dukes whom it is quietly understood never really has to stick around for Official Mass at any public/royal function.
That said, I am rather disappointed at the lack of love for House Hauteville .
I just have a mental image of them either setting up shop as a Ruling House in "Barbary", a near pathologically persistent set of pretenders either there or elsewhere in Dar ul Islam, or perhaps even (due to a far less dogmatic replacement for Isabel de Trastámara y de Aviz) a line of Spanish nobles-if-not-dukes whom it is quietly understood never really has to stick around for Official Mass at any public/royal function.
That said, I am rather disappointed at the lack of love for House Hauteville .
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Nah, but they were Ming Loyalists who set up a Kingdom in Taiwan after beating the Dutch
Oh man, plenty of good ones have been mentioned (I'd probably have gone with the Stauffer dynasty/House of Hohenstauffen in Sicily, but they've already been mentioned. Ditto for the Neapolitan Angevins).
If I had to give some love to a dark horse candidate, though, I'd go for the House of Luxembourg-Limburg. You know, the one Emperors Charles IV and Sigismund belonged to (plus Anne of Bohemia)? If they hadn't died out, the Hapsburgs might have never gained prominence, and I can only see that as a net good lol
Also, nobody's mentioned the House of Barcelona yet, so I'll toot their horn as well (bonus points if it's just one of the cadet branches, like the Provence line, or the Urgell line).
If I had to give some love to a dark horse candidate, though, I'd go for the House of Luxembourg-Limburg. You know, the one Emperors Charles IV and Sigismund belonged to (plus Anne of Bohemia)? If they hadn't died out, the Hapsburgs might have never gained prominence, and I can only see that as a net good lol
Also, nobody's mentioned the House of Barcelona yet, so I'll toot their horn as well (bonus points if it's just one of the cadet branches, like the Provence line, or the Urgell line).
I'd go with either the Habsburgs or the Romanovs. Avoid WW I and they can easily survive. Contrary to what some would have us believe, these empires weren't ramshackle, tottering ruins destined to fall apart at the slightest push. They had potential to be much more. I also have a soft spot for the Qing. They could be saved if Emperor Guangxu manages to stop Cixi's coup and continues his reforms. Oh, and I almost forgot the Hohenzollerns. They were pretty bad ass at times.
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