Satan's Children (The 1950s)

Brainstorm Document

Nihilist / Satanist / Death Cults

see nukes as symbolising the predominance of Death in the world

believe they herald the End Times

a victory for the Forces of Darkness

worship nukes as harbingers
Lucifer's Angels

believe that the world is poised on the edge of temporal annihilation

a war of the spirit world beckons

and Dark has clearly got the upper hand

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These cults especially strong in :-

- Russia (heavily tinged with Orthodox mysticism)
- India (associated with Kali)
- USA (freaky religious start-ups)
- Caribbean (voodoo links)

also hit spiritualist vibes in European society (especially among the nobility)

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Religion and political philosophy no longer seem to be a cause for argument

As power politics has come down simply to the question of nuclear weapons, then the nukes themselves must be the key

freaky theories that in the heart of a nuclear explosion you can know God
that it opens a door to the Afterlife
that Satan dances in the heat

often contrasting theories propounded by diverse groups who argue with one another
but these arguments give new life to the cults

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genetic damage and mutation is seen as proof that Satan is imposing his will on the Earth
that God's reign of order and form is over
that these are Satan's children come to rule over us
and are precious Servants of the Dark

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Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 

Xen

Banned
Its funny when I first saw the title, I thought it said Stalin's Children, not too far off the mark eh?
 
Its funny when I first saw the title, I thought it said Stalin's Children, not too far off the mark eh?

I guess Stalin was certainly the father of the Soviet atom bomb in many ways

Thanks for taking a look-in

I know I'm behind with reading and commenting on other people's stuff; sorry about that !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
Awesome beginning - looks like the 1950s will be very dark indeed!

Glad to see you liked my title idea, by the way.
 
I am mad, mad, mad!!!:eek:

What is all this bigotry about?

Satanism is a true religion, and it does not deem itself 'evil'.
You are all being intolerant and ignorant. Really ignorant! :mad:

Satanism is cool, and it is not about evil, but about individualism, and self-improvement. Satanists can be compassionate individuals (that is, if you deserve it:D), and they never burnt anyone for holding different religious beliefs...

Now, I think you should envision such a world as a utopia, not a dystopia.
I think people would look to Satan as their saviour. Satan has always been mankind's best friend. Stop talking nonsense, and stop buying all that Christian propaganda!

Here are a few links:

http://www.ModernchurchofSatan.com

http://www.modernsatanism.com

You heretics!!! CARPE NOCTEM!
 
I am mad, mad, mad!!!:eek:

What is all this bigotry about?
*rants on and on*
He mentions nihilism and death cults in the same post, so obviously GW is not referring to OTL modern Satanism which would have not developed ITTL. :rolleyes: So Satanism would have developed differently ITTL.
 
He mentions nihilism and death cults in the same post, so obviously GW is not referring to OTL modern Satanism which would have not developed ITTL. :rolleyes: So Satanism would have developed differently ITTL.

Well, it was a brainstorm post so is just there to get the ideas down then develop them

I'm not sure I even depicted Satanism as actually negative, it depends really. If you see it as being focused on the Afterlife and seeing that nuclear weapons are the instrument to take us all out of this temporal life and into the spiritual one, you could say its a neutral position

And I sort of envision a kind of loose dark alliance between groups with varying and widely different viewpoints

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
He mentions nihilism and death cults in the same post, so obviously GW is not referring to OTL modern Satanism which would have not developed ITTL. :rolleyes: So Satanism would have developed differently ITTL.

As a sympathizer of Modern Satanism, I believe any other kind of development for Satanism is ASB!:mad:

More seriously, guys who would accept Christianity's vision of Satanism would be severely freaked out, but then nukes could do the job.

The problem is that Satanism developed in the West, and that vision of Satanism is very Christian. So this would be either a Northern American, or European Satanist state.

I do not know what the Orthodox think about Satan...

Russians already had plenty of Satanic figures in their history at this point, so I think they would be unwilling to worship another...:D
 
As a sympathizer of Modern Satanism, I believe any other kind of development for Satanism is ASB!:mad:

You don't see the Christians getting upset when the Reformation goes awry on here, do you? And I must say, determinism of this sort is not conducive with AH in general.
 
Well, as I said I am looking at an alliance of diverse groups

In India, I would imagine you are looking at some sort of Kali-centred death cult

In the Caribbean, well Voodoo always confuses the Heck out of me but it seems to already have a close affinity with the dead

So, yes Satanism would be per se an American/European thing

And I'll take on board seeing it in a positive light, but can't really see, LOL, how that's going to fit with the rest of the timeline !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
As a sympathizer of Modern Satanism, I believe any other kind of development for Satanism is ASB!:mad:
I sympathize with modern Christianity, and yet I enjoy reading TL's about Islamic England (al-Anglia), Arab Constantinople (in the Halls of Constantine), and about various Reformation aspects. In fact, I wrote in my AAR about the Catholic church collapsing into various smaller pseudo-Catholic (actually Protestant) denominations.


What I am saying is, just because you sympathize with a religion does not mean you should reject any changes... even when it staying the same would be more ASB.
 
Well, as I said I am looking at an alliance of diverse groups

In India, I would imagine you are looking at some sort of Kali-centred death cult

In the Caribbean, well Voodoo always confuses the Heck out of me but it seems to already have a close affinity with the dead

So, yes Satanism would be per se an American/European thing

And I'll take on board seeing it in a positive light, but can't really see, LOL, how that's going to fit with the rest of the timeline !

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Vodou's a syncretism of Catholicism and various West African religions. Possession by loa (spirits) is a big thing, as well as animal sacrifices to those loa. There really isn't anything tying it to death that I can think of offhand, except the sacrifices. I'll point this thread out to Haggis, he knows more about it than I do.
 
Archangel Samael

As for this religious twist you might see one or more bizarre cults with an interest in angelology/demonology say along the lines of an Elizabeth Clare Prophet. The archangel Samael is regarded as the angel of death in some Jewish mystical traditions and is not unknown to Christian esotericists. Actually in any CP wins TL Steiner and anthroposophy should be better known and there could be a major offshoot there. Another possibility (not mutually exclusive) is some like de Grimston's Process movement.
 
I sympathize with modern Christianity, and yet I enjoy reading TL's about Islamic England (al-Anglia), Arab Constantinople (in the Halls of Constantine), and about various Reformation aspects. In fact, I wrote in my AAR about the Catholic church collapsing into various smaller pseudo-Catholic (actually Protestant) denominations.


What I am saying is, just because you sympathize with a religion does not mean you should reject any changes... even when it staying the same would be more ASB.

Mr Duggan, please, this was ironic. I was just playing the role of a Satanist. That is why I continued my next sentence with the following opening: "more seriously"...

And I do not reject the changes you were alluding to. This is indeed alternate history.;)

I am a basic European, agnostic as most of us are here (especially the younger generations). That is why I do not take religion very seriously. For me, Satanism is just a type of thought which privileges the individual, which I find original, since most religions do precisely the contrary. And by the way, I also sympathize with Christianity, especially with its system of ethics. I was raised in a country which is very much influenced by Catholicism, and this is of course part of what I am, although I do not believe in God, and do not accept Christianity's metaphysics.

I understand you might be at a loss to interpret my posts because I voiced my dislike of Islam (as a system of thought) in another thread, which I will never do again, since it leads nowhere.

Religion is not a big deal to me, although I am interested in philosophy, and therefore in ideas.
 
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Well, as I said I am looking at an alliance of diverse groups

In India, I would imagine you are looking at some sort of Kali-centred death cult

In the Caribbean, well Voodoo always confuses the Heck out of me but it seems to already have a close affinity with the dead.

You're probably thinking of Mahakali, slight difference but it's there. As for the whole Voudon thing, there really aren't too many evil lwa from the Death (Ghede) aspect of it.

In fact if you're looking to brand anything as "Satanic" in Vodoun then you're gonna wanna hit up the Petwo, they're more in for the whole fire and whips bit.

In fact you might wanna check out Ogun Feraille, lwa/loa (which is essentially a saint or spirit) of politics, war, blacksmiths, and fire.
 
The Hawker Goliath came down with a roar onto the desert runway. Blacked-out, and landing in an area without lights, it was like a dark beast returning to its hidden lair. As it taxied in the moonlight, half-tracked vehicles raced across the concrete towards it, and a half dozen men fanned out into a single line.

The colonial jet bomber eased to a halt, its bomb bay doors opening, and a hydraulic lift lowering from within, clearly not the usual in payloads. A man stepped out, cloak around his shoulders against the cold of the desert night. Two more followed close behind, aides or guards, either way they did not approach too close.

The new arrival drew up in front of the half-seen line of men, and appeared tobriefly inspect them before falling in with two of their number who strode ahead of the rest, leading him to one of the half-tracks. Firing up its engine it moved away, the three men seated under cover in the rear. The other vehicles remained before the aircraft, the two men, probably aides it seemed, directing the others in the extraction and loading of some cargo from within the Goliath's belly.


Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
"Where are they, Major ?"
The voice was sibilous and at the same time husky. The room was dark, except for a pool of light cast by a single high-wattage bulb, cast that was directly into the face of the unfortunate officer tied backwards onto the chair in the centre of the confined space. Shadows moved in the darkness behind the bulb, shadows of men, men of shadows.
The Major simply snorted,
"It was not in my remit to know that" he said
"Wrong answer" hissed the voice, and they began again with the whips

Outside the room, a tall figure clad in black drew deeply upon a cigar, a Cuban cigar that his contacts had lifted from the US consul's baggage upon his arrival in the heart of the new dominion. He wondered how that worthy's valet had explained the loss to his superior, or if he had had to make up the loss from out of his own pocket, something that would be quite an expenditure considering they were half the way around the world from the Caribbean.
The Major's defiant noises turned once again to grunts of pain, then edged upwards into whimpering. He shrugged and walked away. His denials were convincing, but form required that he be questioned unto death. Nobody could be allowed to be peripheral to such an event and survive.

Above, the two guards on the door slammed to attention as the senior SIS officer emerged from the stairway and nodded briefly. Army and SIS were closer these days than they had been, but an SIS commander did not salute the military, though it was made quite clear that an ordinary soldier should show equal respect to army or SIS officers.
He moved between them and across the scrubland to where a Leander command vehicle sat hunkered down in a small depression. His radio officer was kneeling beside the extended aerial, as usual fine-tuning things beyond the call of duty
"Sir", a junior officer in shorts and vest emerged from the vehicle's side door, "There is news from Bandar Abbas."
He nodded and followed him inside

The other two men within briefly rose, then reseated themselves as their superior locked himself in a booth and picked up the headset.
"Calhoun" he said, dispensing with preamble, "Who is this ?"
"Consul Berringer, sir"
The SIS man paused for a moment, and flicked cigar ash off his sleeve. For a diplomatic officer to call in person, there had to be something more than rumour.
"Go on, please" he said, affecting a courtesy that came and went with his mood
"Sir, Unteroffizer von Krantz of SMS Bonn reports seeing a darkened aircraft flying North on the night specified."
"A German, Consul ?" Calhoun pursed his lips, "I assume he was responding to rumours of a reward ?"
"Yes, sir", the Consul coughed, "But the lighting conditions at that time make it credible, and I have checked on the cruiser's whereabouts."
"Of course", Calhoun expected no less of the man, "Wire the exact details to SIS Headquarters in Muscat."
"Yes sir"

Calhoun emerged from the booth, and snapped his fingers. One of the others rose to his call,
"Sir ?"
"Inform the base commander we are returning to the capital immediately."
"Yes sir"
Calhoun followed him outside, and nodded at the radio officer,
"It was working well enough to talk to Persia", he said of the antenna
The man looked up and smiled,
"Yes sir, but I am hoping it will reach Damascus"
Calhoun laughed and turned away


Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
"Some of the cutouts have been eliminated"
The other nodded,
"By us or by the SIS ?"
"Both" answered the first man, "We should be safe"
"No", the other replied, "We will never be safe...", then, "Is Peretovsky here yet?"
"Just"
"Then let us meet"

Tehehran was a seething mass of humanity on the best of occasions, but at Midday the heat of the Summer made it close to unbearable, and the influx of foreigners in for the summit was making a mockery of the Shah's much-vaunted traffic control measures. It was chaos out there, and nobody could escape its grasp

Lieutenant-Commander Benjamin Shaw sat beneath the canopy and mopped his brow for the upteenth time. The handkerchief would dry out as rapidly as his forehead would garner new sweat; it was almost as if the moisture was magically finding its way back to its point of origin, except that he was beginning to feel decidedly dehydrated. He looked around for an aide, a servant, anyone, but the Baluchi regiment displaying their drill skills upon the parade ground before them was commanding everyone's attention and it was clear that he was going to have to wait.
Instead, the US naval attache transferred his attention to his fellow sufferers, none of whom was looking happy to be there, many of whom in fact were displaying outright indifference to the Baluchi display, showing a degree of rudeness that Shaw himself felt unable to properly match. It was just too unseemly, he thought, struggling to pretend at interest.

The German looked most haughty of all; some minor aristocrat, he seemed beyond bored, irritated perhaps, and was inspecting the threads of his dress uniform in deliberate, and barbed, detail. Shaw knew the man to be a bore of the worst sort, an old-style Prussian no doubt farmed out to the German embassy here in times before anybody could have expected Tehehran to become the centre of events

An Afghan soldier, a Pashtun of course, sat glaring at the Baluchi as if about to leap down and draw his fearsome sword. The man's rank was not obvious on what seemed to pass for half a uniform, but the way that his aides had scurried around him before the display had begun indicated that formally or not, the man commanded considerable influence, indeed fear in those around him

The Russians had, like the Americans, sent their naval attache to the display, though Shaw wondered at what exactly the Russians had left by way of a fleet. He supposed there were vessels on the Caspian as well as in the Arctic, but from all reports the Baltic Fleet had not been rebuilt after its annihilation in the Russian War, and at best consisted of a couple of second-hand destroyers purchased, he seemed to remember, from the Swedes. Still, he supposed that one did not actually need a navy of one's own to be a naval attache; after all, the man did not bring any ships with him to the land-locked Persian capital.

As an individual the Russian was unprepossessing, something of a contrast from the popular image of the Russian Bear, a much more diminutive figure, somewhat potato-faced and weak of eye. He was staring morosely at the Baluchi regiment, as if it was some sort of punishment to be made to watch its display, and perhaps indeed it was.
Shaw himself had wondered how come he had been singled out for such an 'honour'

At last the music stopped and the Baluchi turned about and stalked off the parade ground. Servants began to move among the spectators once again and, almost too parched to speak, Shaw raised a hand to urgently summon a glass of water.
Hell's teeth, but this was going to be torture...


Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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