Satanic panic in a US Nazi Cold War?

In this timeline we end up in a Fatherland like scenario and the Cuban Missile Crisis of this timeline does not go nuclear.

How bad would the Satanic Panic of this timeline be compared to OTL? Would DnD be banned and considered a plot by Nazi Occultists to ruin American youth?

Would the evangelicals have more power in American government?
 
The Satanic Panic would probably be different in a US/Nazi Cold War, but then, so would a lot of things.

Assuming the victorious Nazis kept on with their occultic preoccupations(my understanding is that, OTL, their interest was rather limited, and Hitler even made fun of some of it), yeah, that could dovetal nicely with the agenda of occultophobic Christians in the 80s and 90s. The daycare panics could be spiced up with allegations that the abuse was being conducted as part of magic experiments ordered by Berlin("You think it's just a coincidence they're called kindergartens??"), and the smalltown incest cases could be focused on accusations against German-American families.

ON THE OTHER HAND...

Just as, during the real Cold War, far-left opinion tended to shade toward the pro-Soviet(eg. Henry Wallace, later on Angela Davis etc), I wonder if Christian fundamentalists in the ATL would be pro-Nazi, and hence ignore or at least downplay the more counter-Christian aspects of their hero regime. Sorta like how the free-wheeling western bohemians who proclaimed themselves Communists managed to not notice that most Communist regimes were about as culturally and morally liberal as your average John Birch chapter.
 

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Why would the Nazis ally with Cuba in this scenario?

Cuba would never go Communist in this scenario. Maybe Batista takes Nazi support instead of US or when they cut him off? Maybe Barquín’s attempted coup is Nazi backed and successful? Maybe Castro (in the absence of viable communist model to follow and lacking their support) is radicalised along fascist lines as opposed communist lines as a student? If there’s a *Cuban missile crisis in this TL I would suppose it’s Nazi A8(?) missiles in Cuba’s jungles as opposed to soviet SS-4s.
 
Even FDR feared that the nazis ruling the Old World would try to gain influence in Latin America, even in the southern US who want to sell their cotton.
 
Well for one, Cuba will flip back towards the US when it is successfully invaded as there's quite literally nothing the Germans can do to protect it, since they'll be at least 5-10 years behind the US in research as they've been spending most of their economy on crazy building projects and such since the end of the War. And they have absolutely no ability to project power that far, since building a stadium able to fit a million men or carving the Alps to resemble the Nazi Inner Circle or whatever batshit ideas crossed Hitler's mind in his final days are that much more important. Not to mention killing off all the 'Inferior' people!

After all, the glorious Aryan people were able to win the war with their current weapons, they should suffice to protect the Reich while we work on various Great Wor... what do you mean the Americans have 3000 bombers able to strike Berlin at will from the American East Coast?
 
Occultism would probably be the target of fear, as Himmler et al in the Nazi ranks would be promoting it as a German religion. It would acquire a political dimension the OTL backlash against such things had not had.
 
Occultism would probably be the target of fear, as Himmler et al in the Nazi ranks would be promoting it as a German religion. It would acquire a political dimension the OTL backlash against such things had not had.

Yeah, I was thinking how, for example, heavy metal imagery would probably be a lot less satanic in its orientation, were such themes linked with the state ideology of the rival superpower.

Can you imagine how something like this would go over in the OP's dytopia? The typography, combined with the image of bombed out cities, would make the OTL backlash against heavy-metal look like a minor disagreement over taste.
 
Just as, during the real Cold War, far-left opinion tended to shade toward the pro-Soviet(eg. Henry Wallace, later on Angela Davis etc), I wonder if Christian fundamentalists in the ATL would be pro-Nazi, and hence ignore or at least downplay the more counter-Christian aspects of their hero regime. Sorta like how the free-wheeling western bohemians who proclaimed themselves Communists managed to not notice that most Communist regimes were about as culturally and morally liberal as your average John Birch chapter.
I imagine they would have a problem with the mass murders, euthanasia, lack of religious freedom, and the closing of of the Boy Scouts, Rotary Clubs, etc. I cannot see a thing the Nazis could offer ideologically.
 
But heavy metal was meant to shock people with the satanic and occultic imagery. Why would that suddenly change? Nazi occultism was a thing, but Nazi occultists didn't literally worship Satan.

Can you imagine how something like this would go over in the OP's dytopia? The typography, combined with the image of bombed out cities, would make the OTL backlash against heavy-metal look like a minor disagreement over taste.

Unless the record labels deny it, then a band like KISS would still go for it.
 

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In this timeline we end up in a Fatherland like scenario and the Cuban Missile Crisis of this timeline does not go nuclear.

Well for one, Cuba will flip back towards the US when it is successfully invaded as there's quite literally nothing the Germans can do to protect it, since they'll be at least 5-10 years behind the US in research as they've been spending most of their economy on crazy building projects and such since the end of the War. And they have absolutely no ability to project power that far, since building a stadium able to fit a million men or carving the Alps to resemble the Nazi Inner Circle or whatever batshit ideas crossed Hitler's mind in his final days are that much more important. Not to mention killing off all the 'Inferior' people!

After all, the glorious Aryan people were able to win the war with their current weapons, they should suffice to protect the Reich while we work on various Great Wor... what do you mean the Americans have 3000 bombers able to strike Berlin at will from the American East Coast?

I was working on the assumption that the OP's reference to a "Fatherland like scenario" would imply the Greater German Reich of Harris' Fatherland - one which (to quote the Wiki precis of the novel) "Germany tested its first atomic bomb in 1946 and fired a non-nuclear "V-3" missile above New York City to demonstrate an ability to attack the continental United States with long-range missiles." So this Nazi Germany isn't far behind the US in research terms at all. In fact, after the war and the *Cold War has set in, "The German military uses jet aircraft, nuclear submarines, and aircraft carriers, while civilian technology has also advanced considerably. ... The United States and Germany appear to have sophisticated space technology. Germany's space program is based at the old rocket-testing facility at Peenemünde on the Baltic coast. The extent of space exploration is not specified, but a conversation ... suggests that German boasts about being ahead of the Americans in the Space Race are justified."
 
If Hitler/Rosenberg/Bormann/Himmler pull off their idea of decristianization of Germany and revival of paganism, even die-hard anti-Communist Christian conservatives in the US will get that the nazis aren't good folks. (Of course paganism ain't satanism, but explain that to Jack Chick and his fans.)
 
you still have your baby-boom? Then you have your youths still flirting with the enemies of the authority, be it communists(our TL), paganist or even gangsters.
 

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you still have your baby-boom? Then you have your youths still flirting with the enemies of the authority, be it communists (our TL), paganist or even gangsters.

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Or even the fascist/Nazi imagery? Maybe it goes as far to espouse ideology as well? I kind of feel communism is a busted flush in Fatherland, so something needs to fill the void...
 
I imagine they would have a problem with the mass murders, euthanasia, lack of religious freedom, and the closing of of the Boy Scouts, Rotary Clubs, etc. I cannot see a thing the Nazis could offer ideologically.

Well, I'm still waiting for the fundamentalist Christians to abandon Trump over his open embrace of Saudi Arabia, a regime which quite casually persecutes Christians. I think I might be waiting a long time on that one.

As for what a Cold War Nazi regime offers the fundies ideologically, two words: Jim Crow. If southern whites are in a panic about blacks being allowed into swimming pools and their children's schools, and they hear the leader of Nazi Germany saying "We fully support the right of the white race in America to pursue its destiny free of the mongrelizing agenda of their globalist slavemasters", I doubt your average member of the Citizens' Councils is gonna be like "Wait a minute, don't these guys worship Odin?"

Especially given how flexible fascism is when it comes to embracing local cultures. Assuming Nazi parties are allowed in this alternate Cold War USA(as Communists were allowed in the real one), I'm sure Berlin would have no problem permiting, in fact probably ordering, them to embrace Christianity for public-relations purposes.
 
even the fascist/Nazi imagery? Maybe it goes as far to espouse ideology as well? I kind of feel communism is a busted flush in Fatherland, so something needs to fill the void...

While there might be a fascist counterculture, I still think there would be a lot of interest in Communism among the young and rebellious. It was an ideology that went down fighting instead of slowly crumbling ITTL, after all. And people would be predisposed to think the evils of Stalinism were just Nazi propaganda. Plus there'd be the Trotskyite crowd, now that they are the only International left.
 

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While there might be a fascist counterculture, I still think there would be a lot of interest in Communism among the young and rebellious. It was an ideology that went down fighting instead of slowly crumbling ITTL, after all. And people would be predisposed to think the evils of Stalinism were just Nazi propaganda. Plus there'd be the Trotskyite crowd, now that they are the only International left.

Very good point, hadn’t thought of it like that.

Was there any serious mention (apart from the rump USSR) of communism in Fatherland can anyone remember? I know China is mentioned as having a “hard-line regime” or something like that but it’s never clear who’s in charge and I don’t think there’s mention of a communist anti-Nazi resistance movement either?
 
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