Sand and Steel: The Story of the Modern Middle East (TL)

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  1. ChadMachine999 Well-Known Member

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    What’s the Tudeh Party of Iran up to ITTL?
     
  2. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    I have a problem with the way Israel is portrayed. Just how is it able to label itself as Israel and still keep the Palestinian population? Even with the joint alliance against the Turkish and Saudis at most I'd see a joint Jewish-Arab government in Palestine, not "Israel". Otherwise if there were to be "Israel" there'd by ethnic cleansing against Palestinians
     
  3. Saint_007 The King Of Nothing

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    I agree with this. A large part of the Israel's identity is a national homeplace for all Jews. Having it a mix between Arab and Israeli would dilute it greatly. Admittedly, having more time to enforce cooperation and harmony between Arab and Jew would make things easier, but this would not be the Israel we know. In fact, it would best be described as a bi-ethnic "Levantine Republic", one that would have to get its identity from things other than a simple nationalist identity, which would be difficult to be honest.
     
  4. snassni2 Well-Known Member

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    Morocco is probably the only muslim country today that doesn't use it as a symbol for Islam.
     
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  5. snassni2 Well-Known Member

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    Israel is also the name of Jacob in the Quran, so I think what matters is the ideas and ideology and not the name.
     
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  6. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    Not to mention Hashemite Arabia would want direct control of the territory. Although they'll allow Jewish immigration and refugees as a compromise.
     
  7. Saint_007 The King Of Nothing

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    I think it was stated the Israelis got their independence as payment for their contributions during WW2 and helping blunt the Turkish offensive and eventually reversing the tide of war.

    Problem is, both Egypt and Arabia would have a vested interest in controlling the Israeli territory - or at least keeping it aligned to them.
     
  8. skarosianlifeform Well-Known Member

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    Well, nobody cared about what Egypt wanted, and Arabia accepted as Israel remained a close ally, I think
     
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  9. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    And then there’s the problem I mentioned earlier: how can “Israel” exist in the midst of Palestinian Arabs? Honestly the most is that Hashemite Arabia would allow the Jews to stay and take them in as one of their own whilst allowing and even encouraging Jewish immigration and refugees. Of course the Zionists outside Palestine would be mad but hey since when should settler-colonialism ever be acceptable?
     
  10. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    Also speaking of territory why does Hashemite Arabia not get the Hatay province, the area Syria claims it’s there’s that’s occupied by Turkey? Also how powerful is the movement for Khuzestan, the Arab majority province of Iran, to secede and join Hashemite Arabia? I’m also surprised that the Iranian Kurds haven’t even voted on a referendum to consider seceding and joining Kurdistan.
     
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  11. karatachi "Stay woke" - Gitmo Interrogator

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    While this TL starts as an Israel-wank, it's going to end as a massive Iran-wank isn't it?
     
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  12. Saint_007 The King Of Nothing

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    Which is surprising, because you'd think with all that territory consolidated under a single Arab government, it would have been an Arab-wank.
     
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  13. OurSacredWar Meri of Ethiopia

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    Illusion 100.
     
  14. OurSacredWar Meri of Ethiopia

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  15. CountDVB Dual Emperor of the Aztech and Maychanical Empires

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    Doesn't seem to work for me
     
  16. OurSacredWar Meri of Ethiopia

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    Yeah, I thought it would work but it unfortunately doesn't for me. Apologies!
     
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    Nor me.
     
  18. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    I don’t see it.
     
  19. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    What happened
     
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