Sailing From Londinium

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The jewish Sa'adi khalifahate seems to become a great empire. But I guess that there will be soon internal strifes. The first roman conquest of Palestina was favoured by the struggle between Sadducees, Pharisees, Zealots... With the Arabs, I imagine that we can count an other community. A civil war would be for Nicomedia an occasion to reconquer Egypt where the majority of the population is surely still christian. Plus, these christians should feel themselves opressed by the Jews.
 
Well, it seemed there is a tendence towards the formation of great states in Europe... And Londinium and Austria surely will go to war for control of Gaul.

The Gokturk are certainly the Mongols of this TL... They will advance to Europe or try to smash the Keleti? Time will tell :D

Howewer, it seemed also there is an inflation of the term "Empire", specially in Asia...

Lastly, do you think the technological ratio will remain for now the same as OTL or there will be soon an aceeleration?

With Londinium growing more powerful it might feel the need to take back Gaul from the Romana which would bring Austria in to prevent this.

A number of small Asian states called themselves Empires. In Europe there are four actual Empires; Londinium, Nicomedia, Africa-Roma, and the Kzsarate d'Rom. The HRE is neither Holy nor an Empire, and it is only partially Roman; The Bulgars are a Khanate; Saxony is a Kingdom; Hunnia is a Kingdom; Austria is a Kingdom; the Romana are a mix of Republics, Duxdoms, and Principalities; Croatia is a Duchy. The Keleti Empire really is an Empire; the Khalifahate is kind of an Empire, it's certainly large enough;Axum has an Emperor and had a pretty decent Empire until recently; the Wagadou Empire is OTL in name; the Sao has a Pharaoh so they aren't really an empire.

Technology is already a little advanced compared to OTL, at least in regards to naval technology. The library of Alexandria was never destroyed and the Londinians still read Greek so tech will continue to be slightly more advanced than OTL, by about a half a centery or so.
 
Nice to see the TL continue, been a while since I read it so a reread is in order.

Anything on pandemic plagues occurring? Doing a quick search query of the thread there hasn't been an actual mention of a plague occurring in the TL.
 
Nice to see the TL continue, been a while since I read it so a reread is in order.

Anything on pandemic plagues occurring? Doing a quick search query of the thread there hasn't been an actual mention of a plague occurring in the TL.

A massive plague hasn't hit yet, but one soon shall.
 
The jewish Sa'adi khalifahate seems to become a great empire. But I guess that there will be soon internal strifes. The first roman conquest of Palestina was favoured by the struggle between Sadducees, Pharisees, Zealots... With the Arabs, I imagine that we can count an other community. A civil war would be for Nicomedia an occasion to reconquer Egypt where the majority of the population is surely still christian. Plus, these christians should feel themselves opressed by the Jews.

Yah, I forgot to include in the update the political struggle within the Khalifahate over the governmental center of the Khalifahate. There are those who want to see the Khalifahate based in the Holy land around Judea and in opposition to them are those who wish to see the Empire based around the old Homerite Kingdom in Arabia. The Khalifahate is also factionalized between those that who support the election of a Khalif and those who see the position as a divine birth right that like the rights to a kingdom or empire must be passed from father to son. Though it is called the Sa'adi Khalifahate, Sa'ad was only the first Khalif elected after the death of the Jewish prophet Mohammed. The third divisive issue that has led to fictionalization within the Khalifahate is the issue of Jews mixing with the conquered. There are those who believe that Christians and Jews should always remain separate with the Jewish population superior to the Christians; opposed the them are those who feel that the only way for the Khalifahate to survive is to mix with the Christians and actively try and convert them becoming more aggressive.

If there is a civil war it isn’t likely the Nicomedia will be able to regain what has lost; the Barbarians are at the gate and Thrace is threatened, not to mention that the Magyars may decide that tribute isn’t enough and that they want to conquer the rich lands of the ERE. If the Khalifahate goes through a civil war the large Monophysite populace may see it as time for an independent Aegyptian Empire.
 
I'm feeling Nicomedia gets conquered in the near future and Londinium is a very sorta-kinda Byzantium-analogue. Though Cuauty may just have prolonged their suffering.

Are the Sa'adi Khalifahate a permanent Judaicizing influence on Arabia and the Holy Land (you've hinted Egypt will break free and form a Monophysite state), or will the dominant religion there change yet again? And while you've outright said the Sa'adis won't expand east (west Keleti is for Hungarians!) I still wonder if the following turn of events may not occur:

1. Sa'adi Civil War. Independent Egypt, Axum reconquers lost bits. Nicomedia is distracted from the west, does nothing.

2. People who favor mass conversion win. Weakened Nicomedia results in conquest of Asia Minor, Thrace. A long, Axumite-Egyptian civil war results in those cultures getting absorbed, too; they conquer Africa and Hispania and push the border to the Pyrenees; but an attempt to fight the Hungarians doesn't go well.

3. They ally with the Wagadou (which eventually convert to Judaism), who wipe out those awful Londinian colonies.

Yes? No? Maybe?
 
I'm hoping for at least a Londinium collapse at least on the European continent, if not several of the larger empires. There's also a surprising lack of civil wars between rival contenders in Europe, could be because of strong dynasties. Well hopefully they'll become weak and stagnate as time goes by.

What needs to happen is someone developing a new religion and go and emulating what OTL Islam did in the Iberian Peninsula to Europe and have a Reconquista in someplace like Northern Europe.:D

So far the religions in Europe are:
Pagans
Britannian Catholicism
Coptic Christianity
Arian Christianity
Orthodox Anatolian Christianity
Jewish
Dii Consentes (Africa-Roma)
 
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I'm feeling Nicomedia gets conquered in the near future and Londinium is a very sorta-kinda Byzantium-analogue. Though Cuauty may just have prolonged their suffering.

Are the Sa'adi Khalifahate a permanent Judaicizing influence on Arabia and the Holy Land (you've hinted Egypt will break free and form a Monophysite state), or will the dominant religion there change yet again? And while you've outright said the Sa'adis won't expand east (west Keleti is for Hungarians!) I still wonder if the following turn of events may not occur:

1. Sa'adi Civil War. Independent Egypt, Axum reconquers lost bits. Nicomedia is distracted from the west, does nothing.

2. People who favor mass conversion win. Weakened Nicomedia results in conquest of Asia Minor, Thrace. A long, Axumite-Egyptian civil war results in those cultures getting absorbed, too; they conquer Africa and Hispania and push the border to the Pyrenees; but an attempt to fight the Hungarians doesn't go well.

3. They ally with the Wagadou (which eventually convert to Judaism), who wipe out those awful Londinian colonies.

Yes? No? Maybe?

Judaism will remain the largest and strongest Arab faith as well as the faith of the Khalifates.

1. At least partially yes.

2. also like 1 at least partially yes for this, though I don't think Axum will get conquered and I think I might keep Nicomedia for at least a century longer.

3. had not actually thought of that idea.
 
I'm hoping for at least a Londinium collapse at least on the European continent, if not several of the larger empires. There's also a surprising lack of civil wars between rival contenders in Europe, could be because of strong dynasties. Well hopefully they'll become weak and stagnate as time goes by.

What needs to happen is someone developing a new religion and go and emulating what OTL Islam did in the Iberian Peninsula to Europe and have a Reconquista in someplace like Northern Europe.:D

So far the religions in Europe are:
Pagans
Britannian Catholicism
Coptic Christianity
Arian Christianity
Orthodox Anatolian Christianity
Jewish
Dii Consentes (Africa-Roma)

The Constantinian dynasty has ruled Londinium for almost 300 hundred years now, they rule by divine right as the decedents of the prophet who created a bastion for Christendom in an unholy world. To Britannian Catholics they are closer to God than any human being can be. God performs his will on earth through the elected Pope of Constantinopolis and the Emperor of Londinium. That being said the dynasty now is about as blood related to Constantine as Archduke Franz Ferdinand was to Holy Roman Emperor Charles V; they maintain the name Constantine because it gives them power, but the actual Constantinian Dynasty went extinct a while ago, kept alive in name by suitors taking the name of the Empresses of Londinium. It is unlikely that there will be a major collapse of the Empires holdings in Europe until about the mid 8th century.

There won't be a new religion exaclty, but one is about to get a little bit more agressive and another will in a half century or so.
 
Great TL, how fitting to stumble upon it right when I am reading a book on the decline of the Roman Empire.

What is the capital of Austria just out of curiosity? I would say OTL Kolbenz based on the fact that it is right at the centre of the various rivers cutting across the country. Considering the position of Austria within the Holy Roman Empire, I would not be surprised if they attempt to try and dip up a canal between the Moselle and the Saone rivers. Charlemagne did build a canal between the Rhine and the Danube river systems OTL, albeit a small one. Considering the geography and likely trade flows in the area, the Rhine-Rhone route will be used a lot more than OTL and much earlier as well so a canal makes perfect sense.

The Britannians would do well to fully retake Gaul at some point in order to ease their access to the Mediterranean Sea. How far have cultures/languages diverged between central Gaul and Britannia?
I don't expect much divergence between northern Gaul and Britannia, if anything TTL the Channel will be a motorway for trade and exchange, even more so than OTL!
 
Great TL, how fitting to stumble upon it right when I am reading a book on the decline of the Roman Empire.

What is the capital of Austria just out of curiosity? I would say OTL Kolbenz based on the fact that it is right at the centre of the various rivers cutting across the country. Considering the position of Austria within the Holy Roman Empire, I would not be surprised if they attempt to try and dip up a canal between the Moselle and the Saone rivers. Charlemagne did build a canal between the Rhine and the Danube river systems OTL, albeit a small one. Considering the geography and likely trade flows in the area, the Rhine-Rhone route will be used a lot more than OTL and much earlier as well so a canal makes perfect sense.

The Britannians would do well to fully retake Gaul at some point in order to ease their access to the Mediterranean Sea. How far have cultures/languages diverged between central Gaul and Britannia?
I don't expect much divergence between northern Gaul and Britannia, if anything TTL the Channel will be a motorway for trade and exchange, even more so than OTL!

Sorry I didn't answer this yet.

The capital of Austria is the old Roman outpost of Mainz. Originally the capital of Francia it became the capital of Austria after the War of Brothers that unified the divided former Frankish kingdom under Austria.

It will take an ambitious Emperor who seeks to restore the glory of the "Roman" Empire for Londinium to conquer Gaul. They could crush the Romana States easily, but that would mean fighting the Kingdom of Austria. The fact that the Austrians are a military power is one of the reasons the Romana put up with having a "German barbarian" on the throne. Conquering Gaul would make things much easier for Londinium to assert more control over the Mediterranean.

Cultural and language wise the Romana of central Gaul and the Britannians of Londinium have diverted a great deal since the Empire lost control of the region. With the Empire no longer run from Gaul the Britannian people have absorbed more of the Celtic culture. Britannians as far away as Gallaecia and Tarraconensis celebrate the feast of Samhain while few if any of the Romana states celebrate the feast day even though the Pope in Londinium not only recognizes it as a Catholic feast day, but also holds a special mass on (what we would know as) October 31st and November 1st. The Romana celebrate All Saints Day, which is still important to the Britannians, but takes a back seat to Samhain. The language of the Britannian aristocracy and nobility is still proper Latin, but the language of the people, fairly unified by extensive intra-imperial trade, is a bastardized version of Latin that is reminiscent of French, but with major Gaelic influences. Aside from being Catholic the Romana are more like Africa-Roma than Londinium.
 
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