Saeculorum Romanorum

PREFACE

In the seven hundredth year since the founding of the City of Rome, Julia Caesaris, wife of Gneaus Pompeius Magnus, and daughter of Gaius Julius Caesar, gives birth to a son, named Septimus Pompeius. In a world where Julia died in childbirth, this year would eventually be known as the fifty fourth year before the birth of Yeshua ben Yusef, more well known as Jesus of Nazareth.

In this world, her premature death would have dramatic consequences. It would begin the detioration of the First Triumvirate, the political alliance of Caesar, Pompey, and Marcus Licinius Crassus. It also, along with the death of Aurelia, Caesar's mother, disturbed Caesar greatly. It has been said that his haphazard and thin dispersal of troops during the winter was due, in great part, these deaths. It was at this point that several tribes in eastern Gaul rose up against their Roman overlords. Their early successes inspired thousands of Gallic warriors to revolt, dragging out the conquest of Gaul for 2 more years. In the world where Julia lived, and her son grew strong and healthy, events were to unfold differently. The Winter Revolt would still occur, though it would prove less fruitful for the rebels.

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Nothing really going on yet. I've got the intial phases of the Winter Revolt typed out at the moment, but I got more to do. This is the official teaser. Also, I'm trying to write the history in a more 'Roman' style. Anyone who's taken Latin (or read translations of Latin works) will know what I'm talking about. Liberal use of prepositions, like "at that time." ;)
 

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DominusNovus said:
Also, I'm trying to write the history in a more 'Roman' style. Anyone who's taken Latin (or read translations of Latin works) will know what I'm talking about. Liberal use of prepositions, like "at that time." ;)
That should add flavor to the TL and make it more lyrical, as long as you don't get too crazy with it. :D
 
WINTER REVOLT

In the world where Julia lived, and her son grew strong and healthy, events were to unfold differently. There was still a Winter Revolt, but it did not succeed as the instigators had hoped it would. The Eburones, a Belgic tribe, were the first to rise up, under their prince, Ambiorix. They proceeded attack the camp under the command of Quintus Titurius Sabinus and Lucius Aurunculeius Cotta. Caught off guard, the Romans were devastated by the initial assault. Cotta was killed in an ambush, on his way to negotiate with Ambiorix, who was still trusted by the Romans. However, Sabinus realized that Ambiorix was not to be trusted, and immediately made for the Roman camp.

It was only good fortune that allowed the Romans to and escape their attackers. The Roman soldiers capitalized on a weakness in the enemy lines and broke out. Pursued by furious Eburone warriors, the ragged force made for the camp of Quintus Tullius Cicero (brother of the orator). Sabinus' men reach the relative safety of the camp, which had been forewarned by advance cavalry.

Fortune again favored then Romans, when the remnants of the Nervii tribe, who lived in the region occupied by Cicero, sided with the Romans against their Belgic brethren. The Nervii, one of the most warlike of all the Gallic tribes, had a culture not dissimilar to that of Sparta. They did not participate in trade, and refrained from alcohol, so as to keep their mind clear in battle. When the rest of the Belgic tribes surrendered to the Romans, the Nervii fought on. Only when their army of 60,000 had been virtually annihilated did they talk peace, which Caesar granted.

When Ambiorix and his soldiers caught up with the Romans, they were assaulted by the fresh Roman and Nervian troops. The Eburone forces were quickly turned back, and the day was won for the Romans.

However, at this time, the Treveri tribe, under the leadership of Indutiomarus, also took up arms against Rome. It was Indutiomarus himself that had incited the uprising among the Eburones. The Treveri attacked the Fourth Legion, led by Titus Labienus. Labienus, having already learned of the attack of the Eburones, was prepared for this possibility, and the Treveri were repulsed.

Caesar, meanwhile, having received word of these happenings, had proceeded to return to the region, to crush the uprising. The Eburones were dealt with first, as he did not know at that time that the ordeal had been the plot of the Treveri Indutiomarus. The land of the Eburones was confiscated and their people were slaughtered and sold into slavery. Their territory was granted to the Nervii, who proved their loyalty to Rome, and to the Tungri, who had also distinguished themselves in the service of Rome. In this way, the Eburones ceased to exist as a people.

Caesar had intended to be more lenient to the Treveri, as he relied on them for a good portion of his cavalry. However, when he learned the the Treveri had inspired the Eburones to revolt, and not the other way around, he quickly resolved to attack them. When Caesar arrived, however, he found that many of the Treveri, including Indutiomares, had fled across the Rhine, to avoid the wrath of the Romans. Those that remained were quickly defeated by the Romans and sold into slavery. Their land was given to the Remi, the tribe which was surpassed by none in all of Gaul in its loyalty to Rome.

At this time, Caesar learned that other tribes had thought to rebel against Rome, most notably the Senones. It was the Senones who had marched on Rome centuries ago and humiliated the city. In addition to the Senones, the Carnutes and the Menapii wished to bring war against Rome. The Carnutes, however, as they were subordinate to the loyal Remi, laid down their arms and submitted to Caesar. For this, he was merciful and did not inflict any punishment upon them. The Senones would not listen to reason, and Caesar was compelled to march upon them. He met them in battle outside of Lutetia Parisorum, the chief city of the Parisii. Upon seeing the Roman force, the Menapii, who were to attack from the north, defected from the Senones and submitted to Caesar. The Senones, despite this reversal in fortune, fought on, and were defeated quickly.

Caesar then brought war to the lands of the Senones, and the remainder of the tribe was quickly defeated. The survivors were sold into slavery and their land divided amongst loyal tribes. In this way, the revolt was put down. The Romans suffered few deaths, less than 2,000, while the Gallic tribes suffered many times more.

Caesar then called together the leaders of the prominent tribes, to discuss the fate of Gaul (for Caesar spoke the Gallic language). At this meeting, he impressed upon them that the Romans were their friends, and were fair and equitable to their allies, and respectful of their culture. Why then, should the people of Gaul continually take up arms against Rome, leaving Caesar no option but to fight? Did the people of Gaul wish to be invaded by the Germans, who would not be as just?

The young chieftain of the Averni, Vercingetorix, was the first to speak up. In a speech almost as eloquent as Caesar's, he stated that there was more to Gaul than its language, its gods, and its manner of dress. The people of Gaul were free, as well. Many of those assembled seemed to agree, while many displayed their solidarity with Rome, stating that freedom meant little when there was no peace. Tensions rose and bloodshed seemed certain.

Caesar, however, would have none of this. He rose and spoke to the assembled leaders. In a rousing speech, he skillfully laid the blame of all the wars upon the feet of the Germans beyond the Rhine. Their invasions had force Rome into the region, for its own protection, as well as that of its allies. It was their machinations that had duped several tribes into revolt, while they watched from beyond the safety of the Rhine. As he spoke, more and more of the chieftains were won over to his cause and agreed to help bring war against the Germans. Vercingetorix himself was convinced of this plan. In return for their assistance against the Germans, those tribes that proved themselves loyal to Rome would be granted much of the conquered land. In this way, the plans were made to invade Germania.

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The key difference in the revolt is the low Roman casualties. That, and Indutiomarus lives, to plot against Rome.

Get ready for Gaul Across the Rhine (Gallia Tranrhenia?) :)
 
Faeelin said:
I dunno; would Caesar have any more luck ith the Germans than the Romans OTL did?
The Romans had pretty good success in Germany. One major defeat, and you assume that they failed? Germanicus had continued campaigning in Germania for years after Varus got wiped out. He didn't have much trouble, either. He just never had the forces avaible to consolidate his gains, so they evaporated whenever he left. Tiberius eventually got sick of these half hearted invasions, and called them off.

In this case, we've got a bunch of Celts who don't want to live under Rome's dominion, also invading. Thats the occupation force right there.
 
PREPARATION FOR INVASION

In the seven hundredth and first year, Caesar returned to Gaul in the latter part of the spring, having spent the intervening time in Rome, taking care of affairs he had there and explaining the need to attack Germania to the Senate. He then proceeded to plan the invasion with the aid of the Gallic leaders. Through their spies, he learned that Indutiomarus, along with Ambiorix, who had escaped the defeat of his people, had rallied many tribes to their cause. Among the Germanic tribes, the Chamavi, the Cherusci, the Chauci, the Chatti, the Sugambri, and the Suebi, as well as many minor tribes, were allied to Indutiomarus and the remains of the Treveri leadership. Meanwhile, warriors from all of Gaul had come to invade Germania with the Romans. The tribes involved included the Remi, who supplied Caear with excellent cavalry, the Nervii, the Aedui, second only to the Remi in their loyalty to Rome, the Averni, Carnutes, the Menapii. Among the Germans, only the Ubii and Batavii, who were renowned for their bravery, as well as their skills in horsemanship and swimming, were allied to Rome. More than 150,000 men of the tribes of Gaul had assembled for the invasion, in addition to the eight Legions at Caesar's disposal, 4 of which were committed to the invasion.

Caesar planned the invasion in this fashion: He divided his forces into three groups. Caesar himself would command the first group, which would invade along the Moenus (Main) river, and head south. In doing this, he would take upon himself the burden of fighting the Suebi, who lived to the south of that river and were feared by German, Gaul, and Roman alike. Many of the Gallic warriors joined this force of their own will, including many of the Remi, eager for glory. The second group would invade to the north, along the Lupia (Lippe) river, under the command of Labienus. They were to hold the river and build fortifications upon it, so as to separate the forces in the north from those in the south. The final group was to invade along the coast, and proceed to the Visurgis (Weser), under the command of Cicero. They would then turn south, and bring their enemies southward, to where the Legions stationed on the Lupia could defeat them. In addition, a fleet was assembled under the command of Decimus Junius Brutus Albinus, who defeated the Veneti fleets during the conquest of Gaul. This fleet would land reinforcements for Cicero's forces in the north, as well as ferry men and supplies down the Visurgis.

The invasion force then proceeded to finish its preparations, as supplies were gathered and the three armies were organized. With these preparations completed, the invasion commenced in the month of Junius.

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This is pretty much just all I had time to write today. First of all, there's no need to take the 150,000 warriors at its word. After all, this is based on Caesar's description of the invasion, and we all know how ancient sources like to exagerate the numbers of soldiers. Oh, and this Brutus isn't the Brutus famous for killing Caesar. However, just because history is funny, this Brutus also took part in the assassination. Silly Romans and their grand total of like two dozen names. :rolleyes:
 
CAESAR'S BATTLES

At the place where the Rhenus and Moenus rivers met, Caesar established a fortress, which would be called Moguntiacum. He established shipyards to build and repair craft to sail both rivers, to assist in the invasion. When this was done, he marched along the Moenus, where he soon met the southern tribes of the Cherusci in battle. Unprepared for the attack, the Cherusci were quickly beaten back and retreated to the south. Caesar pursued them, and soon came to the lands of the Varisti tribe, which had yet to side with either force. Seeing the size of Caesar's army, the Varisti leaders quickly allied themselves to the cause of Rome. Caesar then continued his march, and soon came upon a group of the Cherusci, which included many women and children among their number, who claimed to wish to speak of peace. Caesar, however, did not trust the Germans, and attacked them, slaughtering the group. However, the Suebi army presently reached Caesar's, and engaged them in battle.

The Suebi had the initial advantage, for they knew the terrain well, and had positioned their troops accordingly. Caesar's army was surrounded and only Caesar's leadership kept the lines from breaking. It was then that the Germans attacked Caesar's supply train, hoping to capture it. However, Caesar had left it well guarded, as he knew he was in hostile territory. The assault was repulsed, giving the Romans and their Gallic allies time to breath and regroup. Caesar immediately took the initiative and attacked the Germans. The Romans were able to flank the group that had attacked the supply train and thus were able to surround a good portion of the enemy force. As the attack progressed, the Germans were forced to flee the battle. Caesar was then able to turn his army against the rest of the German force and defeated them swiftly.

When the battle was done, Caesar then marched in pursuit of the Suebi, and defeated them again. At this, they fled eastward, and Caesar again pursued them and defeated them once more. The survivors continued to flee, and Caesar pursued them no more. He then marched north, establishing a number of forts along the way, to secure the region.

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I got bored tonight, so I figured I'd type up some more. Things will start to speed up the further we get from the POD, I hope. After this bit of Germania is conquered (we're basically 1/3 of the way through the war), I'll move on to Pompey and Crassus.

Besides, how could I leave you guys with nothing new, after giving me a lead (at the moment) in the awards? Thank ya much.
 
This Pompeii wife not dying will change roman Politics for the weirder. She was LOVED by the Roman People. Also being Ceasers daughter and gorgeous Pompeii was wedded to Ceaser. When she Died and Caeser offered Pompeii a lesser women in Beauty Dececy and kindness Pompeii became insulted and so the Civil war happens.
 
PaleHorseRiding said:
This Pompeii wife not dying will change roman Politics for the weirder. She was LOVED by the Roman People. Also being Ceasers daughter and gorgeous Pompeii was wedded to Ceaser. When she Died and Caeser offered Pompeii a lesser women in Beauty Dececy and kindness Pompeii became insulted and so the Civil war happens.
Weird? Things were pretty weird. Actually, this would keep things more normal, if you think about it.

[foreshadowing]But, with Pompey and Caesar staying buds, I wouldn't be suprised if the first imperial dynasty is the Julio-Pompeian dynasty, instead of Julio-Claudian.[/foreshadowing]
:cool:
 
It would Make for a saner dynasty I think a new Man and an Old Family by roman standards would make for Less Genetic mess up and weirdness
 
Just a Newbi speaking up here...

It would've been quite different. However, even if Julia gives Pompey as son, Octavian would still be alive. We all know he grew up to be a frail, but very canny SOB. But it's not just Rome that gets changed...

With Pompey and Caesar remaining friends-or becoming enemies much later than otl-I wonder what the ramifications might have been for egypt as well?

There are lots of Roman historical events that might get butterflied away by this POD...

Vandevere
 
vandevere said:
Just a Newbi speaking up here...

It would've been quite different. However, even if Julia gives Pompey as son, Octavian would still be alive. We all know he grew up to be a frail, but very canny SOB. But it's not just Rome that gets changed...
Octavian will still be a major force. He's about a decade older than Septimus Pompey, whould would only be 10 when Caesar dies. Er, if he should happen to die in 44 BC. ;)

vandevere said:
With Pompey and Caesar remaining friends-or becoming enemies much later than otl-I wonder what the ramifications might have been for egypt as well?
Well, if I'm suggesting that their families form the first dynasy, its a safe bet that they don't annoy each other too much.

Oh, and I'm not entirely sure what I want to do with Egypt. I've got a few ideas, which are basically variations on somebody getting seduced by Cleopatra. I also got an idea of the Emperor inheriting the position of pharoah by marriage to her (bet ya didn't know that all the Roman Emperors were also Pharoahs of Egypt, did ya?), but that wouldn't go over well with Rome, even if it did nab them Egypt. Anyone got any ideas in particular?

vandevere said:
There are lots of Roman historical events that might get butterflied away by this POD...

Vandevere
Absolutely. Pretty much things are going to be quite different pretty soon. Pretty much, the last historical event that will stick around will be the formation of the Principate, as I see that as inevitable, but it'll still happen differently than in OTL. Well, actually, Christianity, but thats also inevitable, as I'm writing this, and I'm Christian. :cool:

Oh, and Vesuvius. I don't see how I can stop that. :eek: :rolleyes:
 
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You know what? I just can't justify going into such detail on everything. I think I'm gonna do it in a more traditional timeline, like robert does. I'll actually get somewhere, too. For detail's sake, I'll probably go back and do close up stuff like it has been so far.
 
Ok, eventually, I'm gonna have this in 50 year increments. But, for now, I've got 5 years done. This is not set in stone yet, so don't be afraid to suggest some alterations.


700 AUC (54 BC)
- Julia Caesaris, wife of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus and daughter of Gaius Julius Caesar, gives birth to a son, Septimus Pompeius.
- The Winter Revolt of the Eburones, Senones, and Treveri, is crushed. The leaders, Ambiorix and Indutiomarus, flee to Germania.
- Julius Caesar recruits a large number of Gallic tribes to assist with an invasion of Germania, to take place next year.
- The poet Gaius Valerius Cattullus dies.
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca, also known as Seneca the Elder, is born.
- Rome restores Ptolemy XII Auletes to the throne of Egypt.

701 AUC (53 BC)
- Caesar leads the combined Gallic and Roman invasion force to Germania. The territory west of the Visurgis (Weser) River is conquered before Caesar is ordered to cease by the Senate. The Romans annex the southern region, the Agri Decumates, and allow the Gallic tribes that participated to settle in the northern region as a client state, allied to Rome.
- Marcus Licinius Crassus arrives in Armenia and begins his invasion of Parthia. The force proceeds down the Tigris River and narrowly defeats the first Parthian army it encounters. The losses in this battle impress upon Crassus to be more cautious in his planning. The Legions avoid open battle when possible, until favorable terrain can be found and their Armenian allies put to best use. In this way, Crassus' progress is slower, but losses are significantly lower.

702 AUC (52 BC)
- As the Roman army in Parthia advances south, the Hellenic cites in Mesopotamia, most notably Seleucia, being to rise up against the Parthians
- Belgica, Aquitania, and Lugdenensis are incorporated as provinces.
- Minor riots break out in Rome.

703 AUC (51 BC)
- Crassus' army enters Seleucia.
- Ctesiphon falls to the Romans. The Parthians sue for peace. Armenia is confirmed as a Roman client state. The northern part of Mesopotamia (everything from Selucia north) is annexed by Rome. The northern part is established as the province of Assyria, with the southern part being Mesopotamia.
- Ptolemy XII dies. Cleopatra VII Philopater and Ptolemy XIII ascend to the throne.

704 AUC (50 BC)
- Caesar returns to Rome and is elected Consul with Servius Sulpicius Rufus.
- Ptolemy XIII becomes senior ruler with Cleoptra.
- Pompey leaves Rome for Judea, to begin a campaign against the Arabs. Ptolemy XIII contributes a fleet to assist with the invasion.
 
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I was about to make a comment about Pompey being in Judea during the time of Jesus- Then I remembered the dates.. something tells me he isn't going to be in Judea that long.

How is the relationship between Egypt and Rome going to develop? You mentioned something earlier about the Roman Emperors becomes Pharaoh.. Well, needles to say I'm interested to see if that happens.
 
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