S.P.Q.R II ( Alternate Roman Republic Timeline )

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Julius Caesar was nurdered by Cilician pirates during he was sailing to Rhodes on 78 BC.


61 BC


Four mayor political figure of Roman Republic ; Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, Marcus Licinius Crassus, Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis ( Cato the Younger ) and Marcus Tullius Cicero made a unoffical agreement for domination of Roman Republic administration.The Coalition formed.

60 BC


The Coalition gains mayority of The Senate.

Leges Cicero approved by The Senate.
-Leges Genuciae abolished.
-Number of Consuls changed two to single .
-The Consul may be elected for two terms and can not elected third terms and each term must be five years.

The Consulship of Cicero began.

59 BC


Pompeius became Governor of Spain for five years.

Crassus became Governor of Syria and Asia for five years.

Cato became Governor of Africa for five years.
 
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Julius Caesar was nurdered by Cilician pirates during he was sailing to Rhodes on 78 BC.


61 BC

Four mayor political figure of Roman Republic ; Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, Marcus Licinius Crassus, Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis ( Cato the Younger ) and Marcus Tullius Cicero made a unoffical agreement for domination of Roman Republic administration.The Coalition formed.

60 BC

The Coalition gains mayority of The Senate.
Leges Cicero approved by The Senate.
-Leges Genuciae abolished.
-Number of Consuls changed two to single .
-The Consul may be elected for two terms and can not elected third terms and each term must be five years.
Consulship of Cicero began.

59 BC

Pompeius became Governor of Spain for five years.
Crassus became Governor of Syria and Asia for five years.
Cato became Governor of Africa for five years.

Wasn't that group only united in their hatred of Ceaser? Would they work together w/o him, especially Cato?
 
Wasn't that group only united in their hatred of Ceaser? Would they work together w/o him, especially Cato?

Not quite- in this period, Pompey and Caesar were closely allied, though Pompey and Crassus had a passionate rivalry that even the First Triumvirate did little to quieten down. Cicero had an almost embarrassing degree of respect for Pompey (reading accounts of it, it almost seems like a schoolgirl crush), while Cato kept fairly aloof from all of them- think of him as something like the Ron Paul of the first century BC.

In any case, I don't think much of this TL is plausible. Why would these changes to the Consulship so suddenly be made? To the Romans, I strongly suspect it would smack of dictatorship, and end very badly.
 
Cato was a stickler for the constitution, I don't see this either.

I'm not sure what this is about majority of the Senate either. Did Crassus fund a few hundred new men to enter the body? This isn't the US Senate with regular elections, you know, being a Senator was generally for life.

Or does the bulk of the Senate just follow this alliance between optimate and populare; pragmatist and constitutionalist; Rome's richest man, greatest general, best lawyer and orator, and most stringest idealist? That I can believe, easily, if the top can stay together. If Cato, in particular, decided to 'filibuster' the Leges Cicero, it will cause the Coalition considerable trouble.

Also, to the modern eye, a long-term single consul seems like a good idea; and maybe, combined with a whole slew of other reforms, it would have been. But right now all that's happened is a whole series of checks and balances have been removed from the system. Cicero, who was never all that popular with the masses, will be accused of being a dictator; the next consul probably will be.

About the only check on the consul at this point, I suppose, is the tribunes and the popular assembly; but that is a strong one. The Coalition's biggest weakness opposite OTL's triumvirate is the lack of a truly popular figure like Caesar; Pompey comes closest, but he was the least able politician of the group. Of course, It would take one motion in the Senate to remove the tribunes' authority, which they had only regained less than a decade earlier after the Sullan constitution stripped them of most of their powers.

Also - Caesar's early demise will have butterflies before 61 B.C. For example, with Catiline correspondingly weaker, his conspiracy may play out differently.
 
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The Romans would never allow there to be a single Consul, especially without Caesar. Caesar only got away with what he did because he was a Populare and had the support of the army. Cicero has neither of those things. The Senate would never pass such a resolution and would probably execute the man who proposed it.

Also, Cato the Younger would never work with Cicero, Crassus or Pompey, whom he saw as opportunistic power-hungry degenerates who had abandoned the true values of the Republic. He's never be fobbed off with Governor of Africa; if these reforms are going to happen, Cato the Younger would have to die first.
 
The Romans would never allow there to be a single Consul, especially without Caesar. Caesar only got away with what he did because he was a Populare and had the support of the army. Cicero has neither of those things. The Senate would never pass such a resolution and would probably execute the man who proposed it.

Also, Cato the Younger would never work with Cicero, Crassus or Pompey, whom he saw as opportunistic power-hungry degenerates who had abandoned the true values of the Republic. He's never be fobbed off with Governor of Africa; if these reforms are going to happen, Cato the Younger would have to die first.

I'm not sure Cato viewed Cicero quite so harshly as that. Cicero certainly didn't live up to Cato's ideals, but then, who did? Cicero and Cato were on the same side as often as not.
 
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Leges Cicero approved by The Senate.
-Leges Genuciae abolished.
-Number of Consuls changed two to single .
-The Consul may be elected for two terms and can not elected third terms and each term must be five years.

Not going to happen without a crisis large enough. And then I think Pompey would be chosen over Cicero (charisma + the army).
 
58 BC

Pompeius began invasion of Cantabria.


Crassus conquered and annexed Lycia.


Leges Cicero II approved by The Senate.


-All Citizens of Roman Republic have rights of property,marriage,rights of vote and to hold office.

(note:sub-divisions of roman citizenship as non optimo jure and optimo jure over.)

-Number of Censors changed two to single .
-The Censor may be elected for two terms and can not elected third terms and each term must be five years.

-Cursus Honorum abolished.

The Censorship of Hortensius began.
(note:Quintus Hortensius Hortalus is member of Cato Faction.)


 
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No, no, no. You can't realisticly change the rules of the roman Republic like that. It's the basis of the political system, none of the aristocrats would back these changes. Pompey, Cicero or Cato even less.
 
No, no, no. You can't realisticly change the rules of the roman Republic like that. It's the basis of the political system, none of the aristocrats would back these changes. Pompey, Cicero or Cato even less.

Why not Julius Caesar easily acrossed the Rubicon and changed everything.
 
Cause pretty much of the opposition was either outside of Rome (during the war), dead (after the war) or too afraid to oppose, and even Caesar didn't suppress the cursus honorum or other institutions (there were always 2 consul, 10 tribuns, and whatever). He just grab more and more power, without the titles involved. And when he went too far he get stabbed. A lot.

EDIT : And he didn't just cross the Rubicon and change things. It was a bloody civil war.
 
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