Russo-Japanese War in 1916

Russo-Japanese War in 1916

  • Russian Empire wins

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Minor victory in favor of Russian Empire

    Votes: 23 25.3%
  • Stalemate

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Minor victory in favor Japanese Empire

    Votes: 16 17.6%
  • Japanese Empire wins

    Votes: 32 35.2%

  • Total voters
    91
  • Poll closed .
Russia gets to send a whole 'nother fleet on a one way trip to the bottom of the sea.

Why?

If you're going to wargame it, at least provide some actual numbers and capabilities that could resemble reality. I didn't have time so I honestly said I don't know, but you seem to have an idea.

So why?
 
One of the big unknowns in this war is how both sides would utilize a relatively new invention called the aircraft. During WWI OTL, the first aircraft were used for surveillance and scouting purposes until some wiseguy decided to put a couple of machine guns on them.

If aircraft were used as extensively in this war as in WWI, which side would it benefit? Would it even make a difference?
 
Well if the logistical issues are resolved or even just improved, then the Japanese will lose the land war. Numbers will tell even if the army is in the sorry state it was. Russia can bury Japan in conscripts.

Plus Russians aren't shy about sending in another army if one fails. It all depends on how much they want what is being fought over. I believe it was Stalin that said, "Quantity has a quality all of its own".
 
Anime Ninja said:
If Britain supports Japan, it will be a Japanese victory.
At that time, Britain would support Japan & oppose Russia.

That said, I don't think it's as clear as made out. Japan was pretty ill-equipped for a modern war in 1916, even against a fractured Russia or China. With more political unity in Moscow, the chances for Japan getting a "We quit", as she did in 1905, are pretty small.

I'm also not clear why there's no WW1...:confused:
 
I'm also not clear why there's no WW1...:confused:
yeah me neither, but if there isn't one the chances are this sparks it.

Oh and with aircraft, as long as russia is at least as smart as the SU, it will be a crushing russian victory (unless of course, the allies as i keep mentioning)
 
Well if the logistical issues are resolved or even just improved, then the Japanese will lose the land war. Numbers will tell even if the army is in the sorry state it was. Russia can bury Japan in conscripts.

Plus Russians aren't shy about sending in another army if one fails. It all depends on how much they want what is being fought over. I believe it was Stalin that said, "Quantity has a quality all of its own".

Exactly. In OTL the 1904/05 land war was a very close thing. A better Siberian RR means that the Russians can either support better their existing forces, or put even more onto the field. Either way bodes badly for the Japanese.

I vote Japanese victory at sea, Russian victory on land. Which amounts to a Russian victory overall.
 
Exactly. In OTL the 1904/05 land war was a very close thing. A better Siberian RR means that the Russians can either support better their existing forces, or put even more onto the field. Either way bodes badly for the Japanese.

I vote Japanese victory at sea, Russian victory on land. Which amounts to a Russian victory overall.
But allies will step in. its that simple with no WWI this turns into a weltkrieger and ends badly for russia.

IDK where the deutchland will stand, but probably apposed to anything French, so an Anglo-German alliances plus the japs = some sorry ass russian and french (and anyone else who sides with them) soldiers.
 
no one is saying that, russias navy will be a fight for the japs by that time;
but japan will win at sea and in korea, but they will probably be pushed back within a year or so.

then allies get involved and its a weltkrieg or a status quo, you choose.

Do youbmean the Japanese.
 
Why?

If you're going to wargame it, at least provide some actual numbers and capabilities that could resemble reality. I didn't have time so I honestly said I don't know, but you seem to have an idea.

So why?

You might want to look at my earlier post. With the battleship Fuso and 4 Kongo class battlecruisers the Japanese would have 5 capital ships spuerior to anything the Russians had. Assuming any level of tension in Europe Russia could not risk sending its entire fleet to the Far East. So Japanese superiority is pretty clear.
 
You might want to look at my earlier post. With the battleship Fuso and 4 Kongo class battlecruisers the Japanese would have 5 capital ships spuerior to anything the Russians had. Assuming any level of tension in Europe Russia could not risk sending its entire fleet to the Far East. So Japanese superiority is pretty clear.

Eh, fair enough, I forgot the Kongos were that old. Of course they will also not have any of the old Russian ships to either re-use or re-sell back, so that could impact their building strategy too.

We don't know what Russian buildup will look like and how many ships hey would have in 1916, but I am pretty confident they will try to use the older ones since they're defending close to shore if there's any new units that have a hope of local superiority at one of the three potential encounters.

If the Russians have no new ships in the area at all, they might just scuttle the old ones after removing the guns. And there will be three harbours that will need to be protected and blockaded, respectively, but they will actually be finished and fortified.

So I suspect the landings (a-la 1904/5 which doomed Port Arthur) won't be as easy even if the Japanese are more advantaged at sea (which seems a certainty).

It also depends on what happened in Korea in the meanwhile.

That still doesn't make the Russians sending a fleet around the world a-la 1905 a certainty, especially not with the world wars being mentioned.
 
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I'd say its a clear win for Japan on the sea. And even with an intact Transsib the logistic bottleneck is too much to allow russia to field a really LARGE army, so after Japan takes out the more important coastal towns thewar will bog down and internal Russian problems (They will arise) Russia is forced to a negotiation peace giving Japan a taken victory...
 
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