Russo-japanease War 1991

Sumeragi

Banned
The 1994 conflict showed the weaknesses of Russian military: aging and broken equipment, green soldiers, etc. Like I said: 90s were not the golden-day of Russian military. By the Second Chechen War some of the issues were addressed and Russian performance improved. But the OP asks for a Russo-Japanese War in 1991, not 1999.

Russia just has to say "We'll nuke you if you push it" and then everything is "solved".
 
The 1994 conflict showed the weaknesses of Russian military: aging and broken equipment, green soldiers, etc. Like I said: 90s were not the golden-day of Russian military. By the Second Chechen War some of the issues were addressed and Russian performance improved. But the OP asks for a Russo-Japanese War in 1991, not 1999.
But 1991 is either not 1994. And second 1st Chechen war was about separatism, this would be war of aggression against Russia. Actually, that was also second Chechen war.
 

nastle

Banned
Lets weigh the military pros and cons for Japan and Russia

Japan
pros
strong AF , F-15 (120) and F-4 (72)
strong ASW in form of P-3 (45)
AWACS ( 5 E-2)
strong navy with 40+ modern frigates /DD
small objectives 2 small islands close to homeland

cons
lack of millitary experience in planning offensive operations
lack of PGM
They cannot attempt a Pearl Harbor like pre-emptive strike on soviet forces in far east as its a feat beyond their capability at this time
strong objections and possibly hostile actions from china and N korea


any other ideas ?
 
I don't remember the UK becoming a pariah state for recovering the Falklands Islands when they were conquered and occupied by Argentina.

In these scenario, Japan had attacked a sovereign state and conquered and occupied foreign territories. As an attacked country, Russia can use every means to recover its territory...

I don't believe Kouriles Islands being the home of a big or even small minority of japanese people and Japan had violate a WWII treaty peace.

Japan will be condemned in the UN, be subject to an embargo and every asians countries will applaude with both hands because a military japanese invasion occured and everybody will fear to the next unwilling candidate to the Japanese dominated "Asian Sphere of Coprosperity"...

Remember this is 1991 when Japan was the second biggest economy in the world and begin to have a kind of "victory disease" in the economic sphere...

japan never ever will attack russia, not in 1991 and not in any other time after 1939

this cannot happen... period.
so if the russian size parts of japan it will be russia that will go down, it was totally depending on foreign money (german one) in 1991... if the hardliner have sucsess with their putsch against gorbatchow, they will do anything but no war against japan.

nukes are a nogo, conventional the russian army wasn´t combat capable to fight a war with combined naval and armed forces...

the american fleet would support the japanese defence forces, the latter had been one of the best armies in the world, cause they are very advanced... so any russian try to invade are doomed, only nukes could be possible, but nukes for what?

no way, asb
 

whitecrow

Banned
Russia just has to say "We'll nuke you if you push it" and then everything is "solved".
Assuming Russia is the initial aggressor and Japan uses the attack as a casus belli, I think U.S. may have a problem with Russia's "solution". Heck, even if Japan is the aggressor I bet many in the world would oppose Russia nucking Japan.
 

Sumeragi

Banned
Assuming Russia is the initial aggressor and Japan uses the attack as a casus belli, I think U.S. may have a problem with Russia's "solution". Heck, even if Japan is the aggressor I bet many in the world would oppose Russia nucking Japan.
1. The OP is about Japan attacking Russia.

2. A mere threat would make Japan tremble, which means nukes actually serves its purpose: deterrence.
 

nastle

Banned
nukes are a nogo, conventional the russian army wasn´t combat capable to fight a war with combined naval and armed forces...

the american fleet would support the japanese defence forces, the latter had been one of the best armies in the world, cause they are very advanced... so any russian try to invade are doomed, only nukes could be possible, but nukes for what?

no way, asb

1- what makes you think that russian army is totally helpless in 1991 ?

2-Why would americans support japanease expansionism ? esp right after Gorbi's good behavior in Europe ? it would be putting Europe on the brink of a second crisis

3-Please explain how are the JSDF so superior to Russians that they are "doomed" in a conventional war
 
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