Russo-German alliance

okay stranger things have happened so why not this

german-soviet pact surprisisngly endures past 1941 and USSR declares war on Britain and Japan as well

germany does the same [ignoring pact of steel]


so japs and britain in one camp , russia ,italy and germany in another

US neutral , obviously no pearl as Japs are busy fighting russians in manchuria


any thoughts ?:):):)
 
Bad news for the Allies.

Manchuria is swept clean of Japanese and Rommel wins in Africa: not because Germany could supply many more troop (logistics prevent that), but because the Soviets roll into Persia and the British are pinched from two sides.

After that: the USSR takes Korea and organizes post war China, while Germany and Great Britain engage in a air/submmarine war with good odds for the Germans.

Both allies still have their fleets, but they are needed at home and vulnerable near the coast to land based airpower.

Conclusion: negotiated peace: Japan loses mainland possessions and Britain cedes control over Middle East to the Axis powers. They'll keep most/all of India.
 
^ YAAAH ! and germany and US rule the western world ! :D:D:D

but seriously I really think fight between the russians and germans is the worst thing that ever happened to europe
 
Confined to their own territory, the Nazis hopefully won't perform anywhere near the same atrocities as in OTL (remember, the Holocaust essentially started with Barbarossa). Poland will still suffer worse than ever, but I guess hopes are there won't be the same kind of organised, massive genocide (if/when Germany makes peace, they might have to take things like foreign opinion into account).

Between the Soviets and Japan, they'll set China's development back a decade or two. And with rigid Stalinism the mode of Communism there as well, China won't grow to challenge the West anywhere as fast as OTL. If a peace is negotiated, Japan will remain militarist and contrary, so the same could go for them (if invaded, they'd be crushed, though that's unlikely; the Sovs didn't have the resources for it).

The ME will be dominated by the Soviets, and perhaps also Italy and Germany; they can likely split it somehow, say, Italy get Saudi Arabia and the Sovs Iran/Iraq. Vichy France might get to keep Syria, though that'll be a liability rather than an asset in the long term.

(Strange scenario: might the Axis actually support the Zionist movement and set up an Israel? IIRC, Hitler primarily wanted the Jews out of Europe, whether they were killed or thrown out. However, these views gradually changed with the coming of the war.)

The British Empire would have to make peace, inevitably; with Japan neutralised and a very strong Axis coalition, the USA likely wouldn't enter the war. FDR will support Britain - and perhaps also, then very grudgingly, Japan - financially, but it wouldn't be enough. In the end, with Churchill at the helm, the end result would likely be the same - the visible end of Britain as a Great Power.

Now comes the question: would the Axis allow decolonisation, or would they prop up/supplant Britain's hold in Africa? Is it conceivable the Brits may sell off their colonies?
 
Confined to their own territory, the Nazis hopefully won't perform anywhere near the same atrocities as in OTL (remember, the Holocaust essentially started with Barbarossa). Poland will still suffer worse than ever, but I guess hopes are there won't be the same kind of organised, massive genocide (if/when Germany makes peace, they might have to take things like foreign opinion into account).

I think that's a sad and sorry misconception, unfortunately. Whether you're worked to death or just gassed to death is a matter of semantics. Buchenwald and Dachau were doing the former since the mid-1930s, and Auschwitz was already operating as a labor camp. Extermination camps will still be built -- there just won't be as many, since there won't be as much overcrowding.
 
I think that's a sad and sorry misconception, unfortunately. Whether you're worked to death or just gassed to death is a matter of semantics. Buchenwald and Dachau were doing the former since the mid-1930s, and Auschwitz was already operating as a labor camp. Extermination camps will still be built -- there just won't be as many, since there won't be as much overcrowding.

I don't know if I agree... the camps were already working, but they weren't murder camps, and Jews weren't (at least for the most part) jailed or killed in any organised way. Up till the late '30s the Nazis not only allowed, but encouraged Jews to emigrate; IIRC, they even supported some Zionist movements. Back then, they didn't desire to exterminate them, merely remove them from Germany (later on, Europe). The actual murder of the Jews began in occupied Poland by starving them in the ghettos, but even that was an ad hoc process rather than clear policy. The "Madagascar Plan" was not abandoned, at least officially, till after Barbarossa started. Wannsee didn't outline the Endlösung till early 1942.
 
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