Russian Revolution in 1914?

abc123

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So, let's say that Nicholas II for some reason decides to sit-out A-H attack on Serbia.
What consequences? Is it possible that some sort of palace coup/revolution from the right could happen in 1914 because of that?
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It'd be interesting to discuss the reasons why, since it's a fairly implausible decision to make on Russia's end unless there was something so devastatingly important going on at the same time that they had to leave Serbia. Remember Russia's pretty much the self-proclaimed defender of Slavic peoples and that had a lot to do with their declaration of war on Austria-Hungary, if they abandon Serbia they'll be seen as an unreliable ally for other nations, especially in the Balkans where if the Austrians win they'll be stronger, combined with Turkish possessions there and the Russians are going to pretty much be out of the Balkans.
 

abc123

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It'd be interesting to discuss the reasons why, since it's a fairly implausible decision to make on Russia's end unless there was something so devastatingly important going on at the same time that they had to leave Serbia. Remember Russia's pretty much the self-proclaimed defender of Slavic peoples and that had a lot to do with their declaration of war on Austria-Hungary, if they abandon Serbia they'll be seen as an unreliable ally for other nations, especially in the Balkans where if the Austrians win they'll be stronger, combined with Turkish possessions there and the Russians are going to pretty much be out of the Balkans.

Well, let's say that Nicholas II was aware that russian armament proces isn't yet over ( it was targeted to end in 1917 ) and that Russia isn't ready enough for major war.
 
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Your best hope for this is for Rasputin, who was deeply opposed to the war, have even more influence over the Tsar than OTL.

A Russian "revolution" under these circumstances would most likely be very different from the February Revolution of OTL. The Tsar would be deposed and replaced by his Francophile uncle.
 
Well, let's say that Nicholas II was aware that russian armament proces isn't yet over ( it was targeted to end in 1917 ) and that Russia isn't ready enough for major war.

True, but that still means that Serbia flips a bitch at Russia for leaving them high and dry before the Austrians.

Also Russia's consideration was initially that they were going to be fighting A-H and nobody else, Czar Nicky's declaration of war on Austria rested in some degree of confidence in that particular consideration. Even without full rearmament, Russia kicks the crap out of Austria if it's just those two plus Serbia duking it out.
 

abc123

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Your best hope for this is for Rasputin, who was deeply opposed to the war, have even more influence over the Tsar than OTL.

A Russian "revolution" under these circumstances would most likely be very different from the February Revolution of OTL. The Tsar would be deposed and replaced by his Francophile uncle.

Well, yes, he also could be a POD.
 

abc123

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True, but that still means that Serbia flips a bitch at Russia for leaving them high and dry before the Austrians.

Also Russia's consideration was initially that they were going to be fighting A-H and nobody else, Czar Nicky's declaration of war on Austria rested in some degree of confidence in that particular consideration. Even without full rearmament, Russia kicks the crap out of Austria if it's just those two plus Serbia duking it out.

Well, if Russians didn't know anything about Crna ruka plans ( and IMO serbian government did know, but either wanted plausible deniability or were freightened to react ) Russia can freely tell them to piss off.

True, but Nicky-Willy corespondence clearly shows that Germany will step in.
 

abc123

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A Russian "revolution" under these circumstances would most likely be very different from the February Revolution of OTL. The Tsar would be deposed and replaced by his Francophile uncle.

With Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich?

Maybe not by a coup, maybe another "revolutionary" bomb?
 
I'n going to agree with Tom_B. The Tzar most certainly would have been deposed by a pro-Allies member of the Royal Family. The prior Czar, Nicky II,would have been sent to retirement in one of the family's many palatial palaces.​

However another interesting idea is having Nicholas come down with an "illness" and have to rest somewhere far away. I'm going to assume that the Tzarina would be a good wife and go with her husband during his "illness."​

Perhaps Alexei Nikolaevich, Tsarevich of Russia, could be come regent, with a proper regency council made up of Pro-French Family members and government officals. (this is presuming he can live long enough depite hemophilia)​

Wishing you well, his majesty,
The Scandinavian Emperor
 
For all their size and supposed power, A-H's army was pretty inept by then. Given any number of exceptional commanders and some sheer dumb luck on Serbia's part, they might have been able to pull off a narrow victory (or at least mired A-H in an Afghanistan-style conflict for long enough to reach a stalemate.) Serbia would have been pretty pissed off at Russia, but the Russians have never really cared much for what other countries think of them.

WWI was one of the main reasons for revolution in the first place; there may still have been one, but might have resulted in Nicholas getting the boot and being replaced with someone a bit more competent - the beginnings of a Constitutional Monarchy in Russia, perhaps?
 

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For all their size and supposed power, A-H's army was pretty inept by then. Given any number of exceptional commanders and some sheer dumb luck on Serbia's part, they might have been able to pull off a narrow victory (or at least mired A-H in an Afghanistan-style conflict for long enough to reach a stalemate.) Serbia would have been pretty pissed off at Russia, but the Russians have never really cared much for what other countries think of them.

WWI was one of the main reasons for revolution in the first place; there may still have been one, but might have resulted in Nicholas getting the boot and being replaced with someone a bit more competent - the beginnings of a Constitutional Monarchy in Russia, perhaps?

No, Serbia was screwed without Russia. It was a matter of one or two months at most. The original AH plan was sound, but upset by the entry of Russia into the war. Without that Serbia is doomed...shortly.
 
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