Russian East Prussia?

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I made this map as something of a joke to piss off kaiserboos and wehraboos. I doubt it, but could the Soviets yoink any more of East Prussia after WWII by any chance?
 
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I made this map as something of a joke to piss off kaiserboos and wehraboos. I doubt it, but could the Soviets yoink any more of East Prussia after WWII by any chance?

Indeed they could have snagged it all. If Stalin wanted to he could have revived old Prussian had it written with Cyrillic and turned that into an SSR.
 
They would have harder times to settle things with Poland (or Poles would have even a larger grudge if it is even possible) but I don't think there would be much objections if USSR grabbed the whole East Prussia at the time. The settlement would be a problem. It is not as if USSR had much surplus population after the war (which may perhaps influence the decision to take only a slice).

It would have to be approved by Allies so the final Soviet occupation zones may be adjusted.
 
It would unnecessarily alienate the Poles (and their supporters in the West) who wanted as much compensation as possible from Germany for their losses to the USSR in the east. (The Poles had a specific argument for getting part of East Prussia: they argued that the 1920 plebiscite had not been conducted fairly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_East_Prussian_plebiscite) It was easier to get the Western Allies to accept the elimination of East Prussia if this were seen as being in part a rectification of Polish grievances rather than as a pure Soviet land grab. And getting Kaliningrad and the immediately surrounding area was really all the Soviets needed--it gave them a port on the Baltics that didn't freeze in winter.
 
Kaliningrad and the immediately surrounding area was really all the Soviets needed--it gave them a port on the Baltics that didn't freeze in winter.
Kaliningrad as warm water port is a myth. It freezes in winter (at least until recently it did).
 
Kaliningrad as warm water port is a myth. It freezes in winter (at least until recently it did).

I was a little surprised by this, since plenty of reputable sources characterize Kaliningrad as a warm water port. However, I see that George Kennan wrote in his memoirs "This statement, implying that Russia needed Konigsberg as an ice-free port, made no sense whatsoever. Russia already possessed on the Baltic Sea (assuming that one was prepared to concede the legitimacy of her possession of the Baltic countries, and no one, at Potsdam, seemed disposed seriously to challenge it) three perfectly good ports that were substantially ice-free: the former Windau (now Ventspils), Libau (now Lipaja), and Baltic Port (now Baltiyskiy) [I think Kennan means this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paldiski]. Konigsberg, on the other hand, lies forty-nine kilometers from the open sea, at the end of an artificial canal which is frozen several months of the year and has to be kept open, if it is to be kept open at all, by icebreakers. Konigsberg is, furthermore, accessible only to moderate-sited vessels, with a draft not exceeding about twenty-five feet. In both of these respects its qualities are not materially different from those of the major port of Riga, which had already fallen to the Soviet Union through its conquest and annexation of the Baltic countries. Thus it was true neither that Russia lacked ice-free ports on the Baltic nor that Konigsberg would have filled such a need had it existed. Yet Stalin's statements on this subject went unchallenged, so far as 1 can ascertain, at all the war-time conferences: and Mr. Truman made himself a party to the absurdity by solemnly informing the American public, in his personal report on the conference, that he had agreed to satisfy the age-old Russian yearning for an ice-free port." (I suppose one can argue that Stalin wanted a new Baltic port specifically to be part of the RSFSR just in case the Baltic states might again separate themselves from the USSR but that seems fairly far-fetched as of 1945.)
 
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Stalin wasn't just happy with taking land from Poland he had to take land from all the countries that opposed him. And add it directly to his empire.
 
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Then care remind us why Russia to this day keeps it?
Propably pleasing national pride played some role-victorious Russian nation took part of enemy's territory.
Even further south than Kaliningrad Polish part of Vistula Lagoon used to freeze in winter (in recent years it is rare, but weather is getting weird nowadays-things like 3 almost snowless winters in row in Poland is not something that happened during mid 20th century).

Vistula Lagoon in winter:

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It would unnecessarily alienate the Poles (and their supporters in the West) who wanted as much compensation as possible from Germany for their losses to the USSR in the east. (The Poles had a specific argument for getting part of East Prussia: they argued that the 1920 plebiscite had not been conducted fairly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_East_Prussian_plebiscite) It was easier to get the Western Allies to accept the elimination of East Prussia if this were seen as being in part a rectification of Polish grievances rather than as a pure Soviet land grab. And getting Kaliningrad and the immediately surrounding area was really all the Soviets needed--it gave them a port on the Baltics that didn't freeze in winter.
If we somehow made it so that Poland didn’t loose as much territory in the East, maybe there would be fewer problems with Russia taking all of East Prussia. Of course, the Poles probably couldn’t have done anything to actually stop it, so this would be more of a diplomatic thing.
 
It would unnecessarily alienate the Poles (and their supporters in the West) who wanted as much compensation as possible from Germany for their losses to the USSR in the east. (The Poles had a specific argument for getting part of East Prussia: they argued that the 1920 plebiscite had not been conducted fairly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_East_Prussian_plebiscite) It was easier to get the Western Allies to accept the elimination of East Prussia if this were seen as being in part a rectification of Polish grievances rather than as a pure Soviet land grab. And getting Kaliningrad and the immediately surrounding area was really all the Soviets needed--it gave them a port on the Baltics that didn't freeze in winter.
None of the postwar border changes were good.
 
Because punishing civilians for what their government did is completely fair and righteous...

I could be more sympathetic to that point if the German people had shown more dissatisfaction with what their government was doing. But in any event, my point is not that Germany's losing some territory (not necessarily as much as she did) was "fair and righteous" but that it was inevitable.
 
I could be more sympathetic to that point if the German people had shown more dissatisfaction with what their government was doing. But in any event, my point is not that Germany's losing some territory (not necessarily as much as she did) was "fair and righteous" but that it was inevitable.
Only because Joseph Jugashvilli made it so...
 
We should keep in mind that part of the Soviet demands for the area was so they would have a warm water port, with the assumption that Poland and other areas would get elections of their own. I am unsure what the Allied stance on the Baltic states was. Still, the Soviets were snagging the good parts and everything was going to be funneled back to them anyways. They made the Poles do an extra border change later on to give massive coal mines tot he Russians for worthless land. If the Russians did take southern East Prussia then there would be the question of how the Poles are being compensated, as there was also the stance by some Western countries that the Poles were only occupying but not annexing Silesia and other areas. Maybe off topic. Would the Masurians and others be deported to Germany or to Siberia? The Poles might take them, but the Russians would claim they were all either Germans or collaborators.
 
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