Russian defeat in 1877-78. Consequences ?

I can safely guess that revolutionary fervor might get a big boost if Russia lost the 1878 war, and Alex II might end up kicking the bucket a lot sooner.
 
Alex III can get pretty nervous inheriting the mess that his father has left him with. It can turn into a nasty feedback loop between worse social unrest, more repressive crackdown and greater backlash.This has a lot of possibilities, including shorter reign of Alex III.
 
Alex III can get pretty nervous inheriting the mess that his father has left him with. It can turn into a nasty feedback loop between worse social unrest, more repressive crackdown and greater backlash.This has a lot of possibilities, including shorter reign of Alex III.

With things going at that alternate point, I wouldn't be surprised if Idiot Nicky ends up being thrusted into the world stage at a much earlier time and then gets himself in trouble.
 
Theocratic Russia, "Ba'ath"-esque Russia, Fascist Russia, I could list of many different, but still terrifying Russias though.

This is one of the possibilities that I'm personally partial to. The stranger one would be something of a straight-to-the-point populist military junta, based on an ideology that emphasizes the role of military as guardian of revolution and vanguard of social reform, yadda yadda. It'll be interesting to throw in commitment for agro-communalism, at least initially and then theoritically.
 
This is one of the possibilities that I'm personally partial to. The stranger one would be something of a straight-to-the-point populist military junta, based on an ideology that emphasizes the role of military as guardian of revolution and vanguard of social reform, yadda yadda. It'll be interesting to throw in commitment for agro-communalism, at least initially and then theoritically.

Something that I actually am using in the Red Baron TL. In any case, if the Russian bear has been defeated, would it lose more allies though since it is now seen as the weaker one?
 
Can I see your Red Baron TL ?

I can see that Franco-Russian Entente will still happen, since both will have common concern in Germany. Really though, it's because of Wilhelm. Frederick's Germany would perhaps lessen the chance of Entente, depending on his diplomacy with France. Of course, there's also Bismarck himself who did everything he could to prevent Russian antagonism and even pursued revival of Dreikaiserbund, which while I think won't hold(there was a problem of German protectionism besides the Balkan dispute), there's a chance of long term cordiality or even future alliance between two empires (without the Balkan question) that can prevent Franco-Russian entente as long as someone like Willie won't come in and ruin everything.
 
See "Rebirth of the Ottoman Empire" by Onkel Willie. A great TL btw and deals with Ottoman victory in this war.
 
Can I see your Red Baron TL ?

I can see that Franco-Russian Entente will still happen, since both will have common concern in Germany. Really though, it's because of Wilhelm. Frederick's Germany would perhaps lessen the chance of Entente, depending on his diplomacy with France. Of course, there's also Bismarck himself who did everything he could to prevent Russian antagonism and even pursued revival of Dreikaiserbund, which while I think won't hold(there was a problem of German protectionism besides the Balkan dispute), there's a chance of long term cordiality or even future alliance between two empires (without the Balkan question) that can prevent Franco-Russian entente as long as someone like Willie won't come in and ruin everything.

You wish is my command. :D

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=268233

You can skip the parts that don't concern about Russia. Here, they are called the United Slavonic Federation, which is basically Saddamist Iraq on steroids. Keep in mind though that the USF is not yet infamous that it will become after 1945.

First of all, having someone else besides Wilhelm II should succeed Frederick III as the Kaiser. That would help in the long run.
 
Kinda too rightist and conservative for my preference. I imagine something slightly to the right of Salah Jadid's socialism under a system of outright government by the military.

Triple Russo-Austro-German alliance can mean either no Great War or bad news for OE, on the equal scale to Anglo-Franco-Russian alliance against her(in addition to being a bad news for everyone, really). Frederick's survival can mean Anglo-German alliance against Franco-Russian entente, but I'm not sure if I want it just yet.
 
Kinda too rightist and conservative for my preference. I imagine something slightly to the right of Salah Jadid's socialism under a system of outright government by the military.

Triple Russo-Austro-German alliance can mean either no Great War or bad news for OE, on the equal scale to Anglo-Franco-Russian alliance against her(in addition to being a bad news for everyone, really). Frederick's survival can mean Anglo-German alliance against Franco-Russian entente, but I'm not sure if I want it just yet.

Remember that in the Red Baron TL the Slavic analogue of the Ba'athists would have co-opted some of the Bolshevik intellectuals and Red Army officers into their movement but at the same time they're more cautious.
 
Yeah, but I kinda prefer something leftier, in social stance as well as economic ones, with pretty much Soviet view on ethnic nationalism. Closer to Salah Jadid rather then Saddam or the Assads. With Indonesian dwifungsi militarism on steroids(Military is not only to intervene into governmental process, it should be the one that runs it!).


That's the reason I've been asking about military and socio-political consequences in this thread. The former is clear enough. The later needs more data.
 
Yeah, but I kinda prefer something leftier, in social stance as well as economic ones, with pretty much Soviet view on ethnic nationalism. Closer to Salah Jadid rather then Saddam or the Assads. With Indonesian dwifungsi militarism on steroids(Military is not only to intervene into governmental process, it should be the one that runs it!).


That's the reason I've been asking about military and socio-political consequences in this thread. The former is clear enough. The later needs more data.

Well it looks like I'll have to be the one asking for help on how to make a fully fledged Ba'athized version of Russia. Don't forget though, Michel Aflaq's original Ba'athist Party was fascist before it merged with the Arab socialists.
 
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