Could the USSR have, instead of breaking up peacefully, dissolved violently in a Yugoslavia-style bloody mess?
Great, now you've got me thinking about what propaganda songs from the Soviet Wars would achieve Remove Kebab-esque memetic status.Could the USSR have, instead of breaking up peacefully, dissolved violently in a Yugoslavia-style bloody mess?
A communist vs non-communist conflict with some separatists throw in is far more likely then everybody but the Russians or Slavs trying to leave
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I love the Title.
To fuck more the scenario, You could have a Western Germany intervention on Behalf of the eastern germany people that want to left the USSR but dont let them, so you have civil war/invasion scenario
The Central Asian SSR had "traditional " Communist government which included among other things traditional people's democracy. Such as deciding referendum results in advance. Figures in Central Asia probably bore only a limited resemblance to reality. Remember what Juncker told Cameron about the "Remain" vote he was hoping for "I wouldn't get that in Luxembourg "Actually from the picture it seems that Turkic states and the Tajiks were more pro-USSR than the Slavs. (all non-muslim and non-slavic SSRs have otheralready seceded and did not hold the referandum apperantly)
The Central Asian SSR had "traditional " Communist government which included among other things traditional people's democracy. Such as deciding referendum results in advance. Figures in Central Asia probably bore only a limited resemblance to reality. Remember what Juncker told Cameron about the "Remain" vote he was hoping for "I wouldn't get that in Luxembourg "
Yes but 95% or 96%? I could see 59% or 65% as reflective of genuine sentiment but that is a suspiciously large majority. There is always a sector of the population whose primary drivers are not economic and that isn't reflected here at all.Well, there was also the fact that those relatively poor and underdeveloped SSRs benefitted greatly from largess from Moscow relative to the richer SSRs, and lacked the level of internal industries and potential connections to alternate suppliers to easily break from Russia's economic network Never underestimate the argument for prosperety/avoiding economic collapse
Yes but 95% or 96%? I could see 59% or 65% as reflective of genuine sentiment but that is a suspiciously large majority. There is always a sector of the population whose primary drivers are not economic and that isn't reflected here at all.
Yes but 95% or 96%? I could see 59% or 65% as reflective of genuine sentiment but that is a suspiciously large majority. There is always a sector of the population whose primary drivers are not economic and that isn't reflected here at all.
Nationalism in the sense a European might understand it possibly not but tribal or religious identity were real factors as was anti-Russian sentiment. Post independence behaviours really don't suggest that these had been completely eroded in Central Asia so I take 95% as an old fashioned rigged vote. There might possibly have been a wide acceptance of the status quo but that is an unnaturally high figure. You wouldn't have had 95% support for British participation in WW2 or American opposition to the USSR in the Cold War. Overwhelming public support translates to about 80-85% support statistically speaking. There are enough contrarians, religious fundamentalists and
holders of minority or eccentric political opinions in any large population to be statistically significant.