Russia, Crown Jewel Of Somebody Else's Empire

Valdemar II

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Nobody needs to take it all - they just take back their historicall bits. A Swedish victory annexing minorities like the Letts, Karelians etc gives them New Age Swedes. Supporting an independent Ukraine, Polish-Lithuanian retaking of lost lands and an independence uprising in Kazan

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Grey Wolf

Agree, it quite unlikely that anyone could take it all, but several states just need to take enough to themself that rump Russia become to weak to reconquer the lost territorium. Plus with a weak Russia we may see independent states survive in the south east.
 
This is in the Before-1900 forum. So unless Hitler and his cronies were invading on June 22, 1841 rather then in 1941 when they were alive. I don't think it applies to this conversation

A pre 1900 PoD may strengthen Germany. And speaking of Germany, what about WWI Germany?
 
Nobody needs to take it all - they just take back their historicall bits. A Swedish victory annexing minorities like the Letts, Karelians etc gives them New Age Swedes. Supporting an independent Ukraine, Polish-Lithuanian retaking of lost lands and an independence uprising in Kazan

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Agree..no one power has the horsepower to swallow Russia whole...
but if the PLC takes most of the west ( Muscovy for instance, and the Ottomans support their vassal in Crimea and work on the Caucasus..the Swedes can have adjacent areas in the north...Karelia, Pskov and Novgorod then it opens the door for the eastern kanates...Siberia, Kazan and the Kazakhs
making them more important players in their region in their own right.
 
One of the most realistic ways to have this happen is to have King James I of England authorize British merchants to seize control of the trade city of Mangazeya. This Siberian city was a crucial trade center giving access to the vast interior and thus the very lucrative fur trade. Russia was truly fearful of the English taking control and they also feared the local natives, who they treated poorly. If James had given the OK there is a good chance that the city could have been taken and the lucrative fur trade would have fallen under English control. This in turn would have opened up the whole of Siberia to English control.

Benjamin
 
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