RP thread: What do you think of the African Republic?

It is a disease produced by the African race, which has only spread to better races through miscegenation.

How can you deny that it is a huge issue, by saying "Well, sure, people die and its a rampant pandemic, but at least people can do degenerate acts and spread the disease by their own free will". How?

And don't even jump into conspiracy theories. The Mengele Institute in internationally renowned for its research and its humanitarian causes.

It is an acquired immuno-deficiency disorder! Humans are humans- all can equally acquire it! Who are you to blame it on the "Africans," who are a people that include those of all races?! Or are you referring to Afrodescended Africans? Do you not know the majority of those with PIDS are of Eurodescent!
 

HueyLong

Banned
It is an acquired immuno-deficiency disorder! Humans are humans- all can equally acquire it! Who are you to blame it on the "Africans," who are a people that include those of all races?! Or are you referring to Afrodescended Africans? Do you not know the majority of those with PIDS are of Eurodescent!

The majority are not, except in areas where there is a large deal of race-mixing and miscegenation.

They are contained here in the Reich to degenerates and to the lesser races of the ghettoes. It is far more rampant in the former Free France than anywhere else in the world. Why? Because the majority are of African descent (or have mixed blood)
 

Glen

Moderator
If this is some kind of game, could it be moved to the Shared Worlds or some other relevant area?

OOC: This is similar to the DBWI type formats where people talk IC about their timeline using OTL as an AH foil for discussion. These types have traditionally been in the discussion threads. However, if Roberto is willing I can move this to the RPG subforum.
 
And don't even jump into conspiracy theories. The Mengele Institute in internationally renowned for its research and its humanitarian causes. They lead the world in accepting HID patients for quarantine, and in studying the disease and its transmission. The idea that it was "created" by the Mengele Institute is a crackpot theory only thrown around by lesser races to damn their betters.

More science goes on in my high school chem class than at the Mengele Institute. :rolleyes:
 

HueyLong

Banned
More science goes on in my high school chem class than at the Mengele Institute. :rolleyes:

And that would explain why their typhus and malaria research has reached international acclaim....... right...... That would explain why they lead the world in dealing with viral and bacterial infection.....

And that would explain why Free France's Health Department uses medicines developed by the Mengele Institute.......
 
OOC: This is similar to the DBWI type formats where people talk IC about their timeline using OTL as an AH foil for discussion. These types have traditionally been in the discussion threads. However, if Roberto is willing I can move this to the RPG subforum.

OOC: Please don't. This is a Roleplaying thread (Thande and P will rape me if I say it's a DBWI;)), not a game.

IC: I haven't heard any news on how the US and Britain are reacting to FF changing into Africa. Could an Anglophone fill me in?
 
Oh, stop humoring the Nazi -- they're just desperately hiding the fact that the AIDS epidemic, (Or PID, if you're a Afriquaine), has infected anywhere from 15 to 30% of the German population -- the exact figures, are, of course, not published.

I know you're not hearing about this from the Ministry of Propaganda, "Huey", but your 1000-year Reich is decaying from the inside. Case in point -- Now that Afrique has declared "independence", the international community, including Vichy, has recognized it and established diplomatic relations....despite your Fuhrer's screaming objections. Hell, even Italy's leaving the reservation. You're a shattered wreck of a superpower on the ash-heap of history.
 

HueyLong

Banned
I'm a citizen of the Reich, yes, but my work takes me the Anglosphere and yes, to Free France. (I have to have all my papers in order and am regularly checked for HID, but that's understandable)

The Reich is not decaying, despite what your agitprop may say.

HID levels are nowhere near those of Free France or of the Caribbean territories- Reich citizens do not have the high level of miscegenation as is present in those areas, and do not intermingle with or even allow a large African populace.

You only wish to scream the merits of Free France because it, on the surface, upholds your decaying ideals of equality and liberty, the ideals of the long-dead Enlightenment.

Here, doing business in the Reich, I may have to do paperwork and subject myself to investigation, but at least I know they are for some good and go through the proper channels. An Ordnungpolizei is not looking to abuse a good Aryan businessman.

But in Free France, it is not the same. Every contract requires something under the table. The gendarmes, mostly black, will think nothing of threatening or killing a traveller just to pilfer their pockets. Showing my Reich passport is the only thing that has saved me from the fate of piednoir or Anglo merchants all across that dark continent.

Here, violence and crime are limited to the ghettoes. In Free France, no one, especially not a white man, may walk the streets without seeing tribal or political violence, no white man can walk through the streets without Negros wetting their lips at the thought of white flesh.

Free France only attained its present wealth with their favored white policies. Those ended with the sixties and growth rates have continually declined since. Look at the recent elections there (the ones before the declaration of the Republique Afrique) Blood at the polls, white politicians killed and the gendarmes called out.

Its chaos, built on the old ideals of liberty and equality, ideals completely unsuitable for modern society.

OOC: Come on guys. AIDs spread in OTL first through areas with a large degree of traffic with Africa. Supposing a European Reich means yes, there will be lower levels of AIDs in Europe (less traffic with Africa or anywhere else for that matter), no matter what that may say about racial politics. Or no matter how it may make you feel.

Secondly, Free France can not be some world power- look at the areas France continued to involve themselves in IOTL. And those places are worse off for it.
 
I'm not particularly surprised by your "cosmopolitanism" or your rejection of common facts -- we all know only high-ranking Nazi officials are allowed Net access. We in the reality-based community have seen the satellite images -- you're killing AIDS patients as fast as it can and it still can't stop the infection from spreading.

I just hope your comic-opera state collapses soon enough so that the long-suffering German people can have access to the WHO. Because they, you know, accept basic medical science.

OOC: Unless the European Reich has completely cut off contact with the outside world, (in which case, it's collapsed), then AIDS has gotten to it somehow, and I decided a county that refuses to acknowledge the existence of the disease or grossly misrepresents it is extremely vulnerable to it's spread.
 

~The Doctor~

I'm going to go against the grain and agree with the resident Nazi - but only to a certain extent.

Huey, you're deluding yourself if you think the Reich is a bastion of morality and home to the Aryan Supermen.

But you are right in regards to the Reich's status as a superpower. With the world's largest number of nukes, it's pretty damn obvious. However, you would do well to remember that every Empire eventually declines and inevitably falls. It happends to the Greeks, the Romans and the British, and it'll happen to you. We're already seeing the warning signs - Hart has stated the continuing independence displayed by your puppets in Eastern Europe.

Allied estimates put the PID infection rate in Germany at 3-5%, but I must ask you; how did they get infected? Could they have, perhaps, visited the African Republic and picked it up there? And, may I ask, who in the Reich has the ability to travel beyond its borders?

Why, the Aryans, of course!

And how does the government react? Well, they're secretly Poles or Slavs in disguise! Quick, send them to the ghettos! Spread the foul disease amongst the sub-humans! And conveniently provide the massive labour required for our industry and our dwindling economy!
 

HueyLong

Banned
Any businessman may buy a license to operate the internet at their leisure. Our internet privileges are watched, but idle conversation with foreigners, historic websites and business related websites are not disallowed.

Have you ever been to Free France? Its a mess. I only do business there for the primary level resources- anything higher up just isn't efficient or profitable, regarding all the levels of corruption you have to go through. For example, steel. To trade in that, you have to pay for the bribes in iron and in coal and then pay the bribes for its transport as steel. No thank you.

Once again, the WHO uses research provided by the Mengele Institute. So your point is moot. The Mengele Institute is widely renowned and is a pool of Reich medical expertise in various areas. Even ignoring the racial department there (for you will disagree with their findings, blind as you are), you should be able to accept the discoveries of Mengele- your health authorities certainly have.

As for the spread of HID in the Reich, it has mostly stemmed from subhumans in the client states (who are more open to Africa and Africans thanks to the last government's hideous efforts) and from race traitors abroad, who have accepted by their moral weakness, the degeneracy of lesser races.

Being Aryan doesn't immediately make one a good person- it just gives them a propensity towards productive and moral behavior. Over a majority of society, that produces a better society. Race traitors are those who denied the saving graces of their blood. Societies of lesser races may have some collective good- but not as much as an Aryan society would.

OOC: Think China. Selective censorship, with most sites unblocked- as long as they remain pro-China. Forums aren't regularly targeted unless they have a political bent, and due to relatively low traffic. As for AIDs spreading, I disagree. It did come from Africa and spread through areas which traded directly with Africa- its not a big thing to cut a country off..... from Africa. Besides which, the USSR was mostly cut off and lasted till the early 90s; it didn't have the infrastructure to begin with that the nazis did, or the quite so ruthless policies. AIDs became a problem only after the collapse. As for the Mengele Institute, Nazi research in various areas did have an effect on post-war science- despite the distasteful practices. Human freezing was the biggest one, but there was also a good deal of infection fighting methods and research on malaria and typhus. I tend to think human experimentation would produce somewhat good results, its limited use IOTL does and did. And yes, that is calvinist Nazism at the end.)
 
WTF? We were discussing races and Africa, and you go on a random nonsequiter to Asia. :confused:
I believe it is a fairly germane piece of information that is appropriate to these discussions. If anything, the fact that the Japanese East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere collapsed so suddenly in 1996 serves a possible model for what is taking place in North Africa, especially considering the colonial history of the region that stretches before 1914. I believe that we have to accept the idea that collapse of the region along political and ethnic lines is a distinct possibility....
 

ninebucks

Banned
OOC: There is more travel between Africa and Europe in TTL, not less. Free France/Africa is much more successful than its OTL counterparts, is part one of the Allied Nations, and does a great deal of global trade - there is also a lot of migration in both directions, the Law of Settlement allows people from the Allied Nations to settle in Africa, (I imagined this would include certain East European nations as well, that's what I figured when I mentioned the large Jewish population), and, as has been implied, Britain and the United States have been happier to allow African migration in TTL.

Seeing as there is absolutely no conceivable medical reason why a disease like AIDS could be contained purely within the African race, the spread of PID/AIDS/HID is going to be worse in TTL.
 

HueyLong

Banned
Free France was barely kept together under the waves of tribal violence in the 60s. And the declaration of the state as an African one.... will only serve to exacerbate the problems. While the status of white men has been declining, there was at least some legitimacy for the white piednoirs- no longer.

OOC: Less traffic with the Reich, if its unrecognized, has an Allied Return policy and continues to claim Vichy France. More traffic with the rest of the world, yes, but something like China vis a vis the US- before Nixon. That keeps AIDs away from the Reich for a time, and gives it less numbers than in the Allied countries.

I think you guys are just opposing the idea because it is so un-PC. But considering that AIDs is still used in arguments of racial inferiority in OTL....
 
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