Royal Navy and Trainable Launchers vs. Vertical Launchers

sharlin

Banned
The Type 22 is a dedicated sub hunter and a bloody good one at that, lacking a long range SAM they put the Seawolf on it, each launcher has 6 rounds and originally had to be loaded by hand. The Seawolfs designed to shoot down missiles and was probably put on the type 22 as they would be hunting Soviet SSGN capable of launching a missile at them and they needed something better than the Sea Dart which is a bomber interceptor at its heart.

The Type 22 is big to be seaworthy, she's meant to fight in the Atlantic and thats no millpond. They also have large aviation facilities and thats always increases size and they are designed to be quite comfy for crews, bigger quarters etc.
 
The Type 22 also had larger helicopter facilities fro 2 lynxes rather than the 1 merlin, so maybe she had a larger aviation crew, also larger crew which meant larger berthing compartments and facilities, I suppose.
 
Fine, so what is the reason of this 50% larger cost? What stuff? What systems?

Combined 967/968 air/surface search radar, Type 1006 nav radar, 2 x Type 911 radars with slaved Electro-optics for GWS 25 FCS (for seawolf). Type 2016 active and passive search and attack hull sonar, Type 2031 passive towed array sonar (an extensive sonar fit). CACS 1 action info system, link 11 & 14 data-links, Type 182 towed torpedo decoy, UAA-1 ESM, 2 x 690 jammers, 2 x Shield decoy launchers, 2 x Mk36 Super RBOC chaff/flare launchers and a SCOT sattelite comms system.

That is a hell of a lot for a ship in 1982, the Type 22s were the best or second best ASW ships in the world in 1982.
 

abc123

Banned
Combined 967/968 air/surface search radar, Type 1006 nav radar, 2 x Type 911 radars with slaved Electro-optics for GWS 25 FCS (for seawolf). Type 2016 active and passive search and attack hull sonar, Type 2031 passive towed array sonar (an extensive sonar fit). CACS 1 action info system, link 11 & 14 data-links, Type 182 towed torpedo decoy, UAA-1 ESM, 2 x 690 jammers, 2 x Shield decoy launchers, 2 x Mk36 Super RBOC chaff/flare launchers and a SCOT sattelite comms system.

That is a hell of a lot for a ship in 1982, the Type 22s were the best or second best ASW ships in the world in 1982.


OK, so you want to say that these were new and expencive pieces of equipment that made Type 22 so expencive?
 
Fine, so what is the reason of this 50% larger cost? What stuff? What systems?

Rather brusque. The T22s were big, new and shiny, with a bigger crew, newly developed engines; and if the figures incorporate aspects of the R&D of the new Sea Wolf system, it will skew the figures. They also had a larger crew. Costs could also be due to poorer procurement practices, design delays or modifications, dockyard delays etc.

One cannot just wiki one class's unit price and compare it with another class's unit price.

T23s were built to a more basic plan; the Batch 3 Type 22s were gold-plated examples, designed to incorporate all Falklands lessons and provide flag accommodation. The T23s originally were also going to have 2x Goalkeeper CIWS, which were later omitted. Did the figures you research include the cost of sorting out the T23 combat systems during the late '90s? Prior to that the T23s were not fully combat-capable according to their specifications.
 
OK, so you want to say that these were new and expencive pieces of equipment that made Type 22 so expencive?

I'd figure as well that the Type 22 had the headline costs that were then incorporated into the 23's as mature designs.
 
OK, so you want to say that these were new and expencive pieces of equipment that made Type 22 so expencive?

The Type 21 frigate that preceeded the Type 22 had a mature Type 992R air surface search radar, Type 1006 nav radar, 2 Type 912 for the GWS 24 SEA CAT/Gun FCS, 2 hull sonars but no towed array and a much less capable electronic system. So yes the double ended Sea Wolf system cost a bomb (it was the best short range SAM in the world) as did the new sonar system plus the combat action system to work it all in together. In contrast the Sea Cat had been around since the late 50s and the Type 21 sonars were mature designs.
 
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