Rough draft of "Crazy Days" ATL.

1970-Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash attempted hit: What if Cash is shot, but he survives and his wife is unharmed? Maybe he starts protesting against the mob in this ATL as a result. This could also contribute to the renewed fear/fascination of the mob that occurred in this ATL's 1970's...

1977- John Lennon and Yoko Ono deportation hearings: I think there's a chance that with all the butterflies, this could take place. Although the thought of Lennon getting deported, only to live longer as a result, is bizarre to say the least...

C)Geraldine Cobb becoming the first U.S. woman in space: Great idea. Maybe her flight in Mercury 13 further emboldens the women's rights movement?

D)1948- Orson Welles, actor/director: Maybe it might be a better idea to have him win in Wisconsin after McCarthy's Red Scare...
 
Well here are some other PODs for the ATL:

1982- If you liked the 1970 assassination attempt on Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, consider the fact that again th emusicians were attack while they were on vacation in Kingston, Jamaica. Apparently, he was very sympathetic to the robbers, even though they had tried to execute them in their hotel.
-1969- Believe it not, Gene Hackman, was originally slated to play Mr. Brady on the TV sitcom The Brady Bunch . Try to imagine an ATL where Gene Hackman becomes the symbol of wholesome "Norman Rockwell" Americana.
-1982- Believe it or not, Ed O'Neill (a.k.a. "Al Bundy), apparently auditioned for the role of the father on Family Ties and the role of Sam Malone on Cheers . Apparently if he had been on the show, it may have been the "kiss of death".
-1956- Marlon Brando, after his success with the movie A Streetcar Named Desire tried to convince th eworld that he was a singer as well. Apparently he was pretty bad, ranking with William Shatner. What if the two actoers were lounge club acts in Las Vegas, NV.
 
1982 assasination attempt: Interesting... Maybe Cash focuses more on the sort of social conditions which allow organized crime to flourish then?

Gene Hackman as Mr. Brady: Wow, that might be a little too bizarre, even for this ATL... I'll consider it though.

-1956- Marlon Brando: Maybe he adopts a reputation similar to William Shantner?
 
POTUS- If you love those PODs, you will certainly find these ones interesting... Take a gander at these ones for the ATL:

A) 1967- In OTL, Satyajit Ray, one of Bollywood's greatest directors, starting in 1964, consulted with Arthur C. Clarke about a film he wanted to make called The Alien . The story was the charming little tale of a little boy who meets an alien who crash-landed on Earth and is attempting to get back home. By 1967, he was typing a script together with several stars lined up, until the studios folded on the deal. Apparently when E.T. , the Extraterrestial was released in 1983, Satyajit Ray apparently tried to sue Universal Studios and Steven Spielberg for copying his script. Try to imagine the effect of the movie being released in 1967.

B) Radio (United States)- In OTL, underground radio received a renaissance from 1986-1996 with the creation of several major venues. Black Liberation Radio (a.k.a. Human Rights Radio) began transmitting from Springfield, Illinois in 1986. In 1991, Radio Free Venice was established in Venice Beach, California. In 1992, there was Radio Free Detroit in Detroit, Michigan. By 1995, it received its highest peak with the creation of San Francisco Liberation Radio by Annie Voice (a.k.a Jo Swanson) in San Francisco, California. Try to imagine the rise of the ATL's"Black Power" movement through these radio stations in the 1980s and 1990s. Unlike the Jimi Hendrix song of OTL, the Revolution will be televised.

C) Radio (Canada)- In OTL, the underground radio movement gave a voice to the Native American movement. Starting in 1969 Radio Kenomadnuin (a.k.a. "Companions for Young Canadians) brgan broadcasting to the Ojibway throughout Ontario. Starting in 1982, Akwesasne began to broadcast to all portions of the Iroquois Confederacy, from southern Ontario, Quebec, and upstate New York. You now have a catalyst for a stronger American Indian Movement (AIM).

D) Radio Vrjie Keizer (a.k.a. Radio Free Emperor) In OTL, starting in 1979, the underground radio station by Liszet Squatter began broadcating in Amsterdam, Netherlands, advocating strong radical position for human rights and introducing new musical artists to Europeans.
 
Crazy Days

I Know we are to follow alternate WIs but your date in the 60s about civil rights laws enacted in a Republican Administration is questionable. The GOP is orwhat could be about as much interested in rights as we aare in Sumerian artifacts.
 
Mr_ Bondoc said:
POTUS- If you love those PODs, you will certainly find these ones interesting... Take a gander at these ones for the ATL:

A) 1967- In OTL, Satyajit Ray, one of Bollywood's greatest directors, starting in 1964, consulted with Arthur C. Clarke about a film he wanted to make called The Alien . The story was the charming little tale of a little boy who meets an alien who crash-landed on Earth and is attempting to get back home. By 1967, he was typing a script together with several stars lined up, until the studios folded on the deal. Apparently when E.T. , the Extraterrestial was released in 1983, Satyajit Ray apparently tried to sue Universal Studios and Steven Spielberg for copying his script. Try to imagine the effect of the movie being released in 1967.

B) Radio (United States)- In OTL, underground radio received a renaissance from 1986-1996 with the creation of several major venues. Black Liberation Radio (a.k.a. Human Rights Radio) began transmitting from Springfield, Illinois in 1986. In 1991, Radio Free Venice was established in Venice Beach, California. In 1992, there was Radio Free Detroit in Detroit, Michigan. By 1995, it received its highest peak with the creation of San Francisco Liberation Radio by Annie Voice (a.k.a Jo Swanson) in San Francisco, California. Try to imagine the rise of the ATL's"Black Power" movement through these radio stations in the 1980s and 1990s. Unlike the Jimi Hendrix song of OTL, the Revolution will be televised.

C) Radio (Canada)- In OTL, the underground radio movement gave a voice to the Native American movement. Starting in 1969 Radio Kenomadnuin (a.k.a. "Companions for Young Canadians) brgan broadcasting to the Ojibway throughout Ontario. Starting in 1982, Akwesasne began to broadcast to all portions of the Iroquois Confederacy, from southern Ontario, Quebec, and upstate New York. You now have a catalyst for a stronger American Indian Movement (AIM).

D) Radio Vrjie Keizer (a.k.a. Radio Free Emperor) In OTL, starting in 1979, the underground radio station by Liszet Squatter began broadcating in Amsterdam, Netherlands, advocating strong radical position for human rights and introducing new musical artists to Europeans.

A) Great idea.

B & C) So Radio is now being used to spread Black radicalism and the Indian Rights movement.... Another excellent and strange twist to the ATL.

D) This ATL's Netherlands will become part of the Germanic League (think the United States of Germany) though. That could create a good deal of problems for the emerging GL government...

BTW: I was thinking of taking elements of your Strange Days ATL and using it for this timeline. Is that okay?
 
POTUS- I am perfectly willing to allow portions of the Strange Days ATL to be used in the development of the ATL, as long as credit is given where credit is due. I just find it really fun to build something new. As for other PODs that you may want to consider:

-In OTL, Joseph P. Kennedy Jr., elder brother to JFK was nominated for the 1942 Senate seat for Massachusetts and was about to be nominated for the 1944 gubernatorial race for Massachusetts. Unfortunately , WWII intervened and the brother was prevented from entering higher office.
- In 1952, the United States threatened to boycott the Olympics in Helsinki, Finalnd, after the Soviet Union threatened to enter the region and place a Communist government in the Cabinet.
-As for cancelled Olympic Games , consider the 1940 Olympic Games in Helsinki, Finland or Tokyo, Japan. Also consider the 1944 Olympic Games in London, Great Britain. These events are certain to add a little strangeness to the ATL. Consider the fact that the 1940 Olypics were still in preparation 6 months after the beginning of WWII in OTL.
 
JPK: In this ATL, neither JFK or JPK jr. are born. Instead, a variant of both of them is born: JPK (Jack Patrick Kennedy). This does open up some interesting PODS though now that I think of it, since this variant was born around the same time JPK jr. was in OTL...

1952 Olympic games cancelled: That's a nice twist to add. Maybe the US protests the summer games after WORE begins to menace Finland & Germany in this ATL.

On Strange Days: Of course I'll give you credit, if I do chose to take certain parts from it. Specifically, I was thinking of using some of the novels, TV, etc. from that ATL. And a few other ideas like a Second Space Race. But the majority of this ATL will be original.
 
POTUS- Well here are some more PODs thjat will certainly make things very interesting in the ATL:
-1945- Karol Wojtyla (aka "Pope John Paul II"), prior to his entry into the Catholic priesthood was a playwright who was very popular in his home in Krakow, Poland. What if he had stayed in the field of drama?
-1968-Vaclav Havel was another playwright who attempted to gain fame during the "Prague Spring". In OTL, the Prague Soviet crackdown caused him to become a political leader. What if he had remained a literary figure?
-1968-Gregory Benford, in OTL, grew up in a military family, and was about to be shipped to Vietnam as a soldier. Apparently he was to be an infantry commander, but apparently after viewing the Apollo space program, he became interested in science. In OTL, he became a science-fiction writer. What if he had become the infantry commander?
-1957- In OTL, Frank Sinatra was announced to marry Lauren Baccall, the recent widow of Humphrey Bogart. Instead he fell in love with a little known actress known as Mia Farrow, sparking her rise to fame, and her eventual meeting with Woody Allen in the 1970s.
 
POTUS- As a cooking teacher would say,here is the "meat for the stew" for the ATL; After taking a look at these PODs, you'll wonder how you went without them:

WORE -In OTL, in the years between 1917-1978, the Vatican actively launched a campaign to bring down the Soviet state,
1926-Vladimir Solovieff, Russian Orthodox leader for the Basilica of St. Mary Major calls for the "...unification of the western and eastern empires of Christianity"
1926- Cardinal Michel D'Herbigney scandalizes the Vatican after he is captured for meeting with Soviet officials in a spy scandal in Moscow
1927-Pope Pius XI calls unilaterally calls for the continuation of the Church in Russia, sparking anti-Catholic sentiment in the region
1937-Pope Pius XI launches the encyclical Divini Redemptoris accusing the Russian Orthodox Church of promoting a "false Messiah idea" in the form of Stalin, sparking conflict between the two groups.
1950-Cardinals Domenico Tardini and Giovanni Battista Montini condemn Russian Orthodox "collaborators" with the Soviet government
1954-Giovanni Battista Montini is awarded the awarded the archdiocese of Milan for his statements against the Soviet state.
1957- Pope Pius XII calls for a "crusade" against the "false teachings and scripture" of the Soviet state, equating opposition to Communism to the Marianist martyrs.
1960- Pope John XXIII opens negotiations with the Russian Orthodox patriarch, establishing the Vatican Secretariat for Christian Unity, sparking controversy
1962- Pope John XXIII sparks controversy again by calling for a peaceful settlement to the military tensions
1965- Pope Paul VI with the aid of Cardinal Franz Konig establishes the Secretariat of Non-Believers to "combat the waning of religious faith..."
1965- Pope Pius VI signs the Declaration of Religious Freedom, calling for covert activities to introduce religion into the Russian state...
 
Wow, I'm in awe at all those PODS... Here are some more ideas I'm in need of PODS for:

Communist Iran: What PODS could result in it going Communist in the 1950's or early 1960's, Mogadesh aside? Could it be the spark that ignites WWIII in this ATL, instead of Libya as I originally had planned?

Collapse of old WORE regime: What new government could form in post-Theocratic Russia? A Junta? A Communist state (ala the USSR)? Some other kind of authoritarian/totalitarian state? A Republic akin to the one right now?

Communist Afghanistan: What PODS could result in a Communist regime being implanted around the start of this ATL's WWIV?

Bossa Nova becoming popular: What PODS could result in this musical genre becoming very popular in the US?

No Michael Jackson: I already mentioned that I'm going to have Michael Jackson butter flied away in this ATL. What might be the long term affects on this ATL?

Latin Religious Right: What PODS could result in the Church having more influence in politics, to the point where many Latin American countries might become Catholic Theocracies/One party states?

Brazilian superpower: I've already proposed an Ultra-nationalist and/or reactionary Brazil. What PODS could result in a Brazilian superpower by the early 1970's?
 
POTUS-Well it looks like the "game is afoot once more". I'll try to see what I can do to accomodate the strange PODs that you have created for the ATL. Although it may take a lot of research, I can guarantee I will come up with something:
A) Communist Afghanistan & Iran- This will have to take place in the 1950s. The problem is that this creates the "encirclement theory" wherein it is believed that the primary leaders in Western Europe are Italy and Russia. Too many communist powers near the border of the WORE will spark a "Black Sea Crisis" and possibly a Second Crimean War. Furthermore, with Iran, the danger lies in the "Great Game" wherein Russia and Great Britain competed for the region. In the ATL, th edanger lies in turning the region into a Middle Eastern Yugoslavia with a tripartite civil war
B)Collapse of the WORE- I can create a situation wherein the nation ends up a series of small ethnically divided fiefdoms, a constitutional monarchy/democracy, a bloody civil war region, or an ultra-nationalistic totalitarian government.
C)Bossa Nova- Actually pretty nifty...
D) No Michael Jackson- This means that African-American culture takes a longer time to become part of the American mainstream. Consiider the fact that it wasn't until 1983, MTV didn't show any music videos until Michael Jackson's "Thriller" album. Without African American artists being shown on MTV, there is certainly no rise of BET in 1985. There is certainly not going to be any "Yo! MTV Raps". While there is certainly rap music, it will remain a "curious" part of African-American culture. There is certainly a possibility of Eminem ending up the "urban cowboy", along with Kidd Rock.
E)Right-wing Latin America- This will take a little research. Traditionally the Catholic Church in the region was not very popular by many of the military right -wing governments as well as the socialist Communist governments. It's not impossile, but it will take some research...
F) Superpower Brazil- This will certainly take place after 1962 and the certainly involve several issues (including the possible development of a space program...
 
POTUS- Well it took a while, but here are some reallly nifty PODs for the ATL, it took a lot of research, but I think it works quite nicely:

A)Communist Iran - Starting in 9/1941, with the formation of the Tudeh ("Masses") Party, there was a strong Communist threat to the region. In 12/1942, Bread riots in Tehran nearly sparked a civil war in the country. With the election of Prme Minister Ja'far Pishevan, the Soviets believed they found a friend . Yet in OTL, starting 12/1945, the government under Stalin backed Armenian Communist rebels in the creation of a Kurdish state in northern Iran. In the ATL, rather forcing a catalyst against communism, this could serve as an impetus to support the Communist government. This also means that in 3/1946, there will be diplomatic confrontations led by Qavam as-Saltoneh. Four months later, in OTL, this brought about about a major oil strike led by the Tudeh. By 1951, you have the choice of either Hussein Makki and Hussein Faloni in Iran's future.

B)Communist Afghanistan - First there is the fact that in 1955, Prime Minister Mohammed Daoud comes to power, whowas backed Communist. In 1961- Prime Minister Mohammed Daoud lauched a major purge of religious leaders an clerics. By 1964, Prime Minister Mohammed Daoud established a new constitution, which would call for the .. in OTL, starting in 1/1/1965, Nur Mohammed Taraki forms the Communist PDPA in Kabul.

C)Post-Collapse WORE -The period of the 1970s and the 1980s see Russia transformed into a pseudo-"Weimar German" state.Starting in 1970, you have the formation of Gopnik (Criminal gangs) and Shillagi (Wester. By 1984, you have approximately 250 according to the Ministry of Culture, launching a major crackdown in Moscow. By 1972 in OTL, you have the Roman-Catholic accused by Soviet authorities for "covert activities" in Lithuania. To make matters interesting you had starting in 1972, Vladimir Borisov, who was calling for reforms in OTL. Starting in 1978, the "Organizatsiya" (Russian Jewish criminal syndicate) began to assert it self. In OTL, this meant simply in America's streets, in the Jewish emigre population. But in the ATL, try to imagine Molnya Elson, head of Moscow's "Organizatsiya" launches a bid to control the Russian underworld. His chief rival/ally is Esevi Agron and his hitman Boris Nayfeld. The scary part is that their Jewish background help to spark anti-Semitism in the future.

D)Crimean Tartars - In the Cold War scenario that you have created between the ISSR and WORE, consider this little piece of information. Starting in 1966, you have the Mubbeyin Batu Atlem establish the Crimean Tartar nationalist movement. By 1978, you have Mustafa Jenilev leading this highly volatile Islamic and Communist movement. In 1983-1984, Mustafa Jenilev published a samizadt, calling for an independent Islamic Crimean Tartar state. In the ATL, try to imagine these rebels, being backed by the ISSR, and a possible ATL version of Osama bin Laden, or Chechnya's Dudayev.

E) Right-Wing Catholic Latin America - Starting in 1927, Father Jose Antonio Martinez, noted that there was the possiblity of a major schism between the Catholic Church in Rome and Latin America, during a speech in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Starting in 1928, Opus Dei, under Jose-Maria Escriva de Balageur began a series of right-wing political movements to "stamp out commuunism". Also starting in 1948- President Jorge Elicer Gaittan (Colombia), just before his assassination (1948) began calling for "religious populism". This was later adopted as a policy by Juan D. Peron (Argentina) who called for "justicialismo", which was a blend of religious populism and right-wing political policies. Try tro imagine if the assassination doesn't take place. By 1982, Monsignor Alvaro del Portillo, appointed by Pope John Paul II had spread the anti-Communist "Opus Dei" movement throughout all of Latin America.

F)Bossa Nova -Well here are a few dates to remember if you are to design a successful Bossa Nova movement. The movement was started in 7/1957 with "Desafinado" (Out of Tune) by Joao Gilberto. Yet it would take until 1959, with the international release of the film Orefu Negro (filmed in Rio de Janeiro) and the release of Vinicus de Moraes (with vocals by Astrud Bilberto) performing "Girl from Ipanema" for the movement to gain popularity. In 1962, Sidney Frey successfully brought Bossa Nova to Carnegie Hall in New York City, New York. Also American artist/flutist began to imitate the style that same year with his own album of Bossa Nova. In 1964, Frank Sinatra, teamed with Antonio Carlos Jobim launched a collaboration album together (unfortunately, it was overshadowed in OTL by the Beatles arrival). By 1965, with the rise of the military dicttorship in Brazil, many producers attempted to leave for the United States (e.g. Oscar Castro-Neves moves to Los Angeles, California). Bossa Nova would fade until 1972, with the arrival of Sergio Mendes, who introduced new material to the music. Also in 1976, with Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bossa Nova gained a social consciousness with songs like "Boto" and "Borzegium" calling for environmental awareness. The genre would receive a revival again in the 1990s (c. 1992-1996) with the work of Arto Lindsay who introduced Bossa Nova to audiences at New York City nightclubs...
 
G) Brazil (Super Power) -Here are some dates that maybe important to the development of a superpower, economically and politically:
1962- Brazil continues its nuclear weapons program, refusing to sign the Nuclear Weapons Nonproliferation Treaty of 1962
1967- Brazil is proclaimed "economic miracle" by the New York Times (Actually happened in OTL)
1967-1973-In OTL, Pedro Samparo Malan and Regis Bonelli, Brazilian economists, called for expanded economic production investment over excess capacity
1973- OTL's Brazil hits an economic recession, bring about the slow demise of the "Brazilian miracle"
1974- In a desperate move, General Ernest Geisel, provided the "National Development PLan", unfortunately, many buisnesses felt that this was too little too late, and was ultimately rejected by the buisness community in Brazil
1978- Jose Mindla, leading Brazilian economist, calls for the establishment of legalized trade unions in order to develop a stronger work force.
1979-Luis Ignacio de Lula, president of the Metalworker's Union, proposes the creation of an opposition labor party (EST)

H) post-Collapse WORE -The dangers of the 1980s only get worse as time goes on. Starting in 1986, you have Lev Koneev, OTL's leading "Holocaust-denier" had already started to launch vitrioloic articles regarding the "Yid-Masonic sonspiracy" against Russia, citing the anti-Semitic tract, Protocols of the Elders of Zion . In 1989, you have Eduard Limonov, leading Russian mercenaries to aid Serbians in their "ethnic-cleansing" campaigns of Bosnia-Hercegovina. In 1991, there is the Russian National Unity (RNU) fascist party established in Moscow, formed with many veterans of Eduard Limonov's troops. By 10/1993, you have the storming of the White House in Moscow, similar to the Beer Hall Putsch, exactly 70 years earlier. Out of this nightmare is a disgruntled Corporal by the name of Aleksandr Barkashov, with the belief that "World War II was an attempt to wipe out the Aryan people...with Jewish-inspired genocide of 100 million Russians..." By 1994, General Aleksandr Sterligov allies with Corporal Aleksandr Barkashov, to form the Russian National Assembly.
 
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