Rosa's Reich - Red Germany

This was epic! Keep it up!

Though as all this is happening, what happened to the NazBols? There was a coup somewhere on Germany, after all. Also, what's the Thule Society and the rest of the Reactionaries? They're too quiet so far. I fear they'll try something...
 
This was epic! Keep it up!

Though as all this is happening, what happened to the NazBols? There was a coup somewhere on Germany, after all. Also, what's the Thule Society and the rest of the Reactionaries? They're too quiet so far. I fear they'll try something...

The British tried to assassinate the Bolsheviks in OTL, maybe the Thule-types might get some covert support to do the same with the Luxemburgists ITTL once the situation settles down more.
 
Chapter VI (1920) | Part V (Trotsky & the Mensheviks)
Chapter VI: The Crucible
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Time Period: July, 1920

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Paris


“I will hear none of this – we will not abandon the capital so that it may be once again overrun by insurrectionist rabble,” said Clemenceau to rest of the French Cabinet. “We, the embodiment of the victorious Third Republic must stand our ground – whatever the cost.”
After completing his proclamation, he then immediately summoned to the French War Council. “We must muster what forces we can to not only quell these mutinies before they spread, but also defend Paris from the Ruhr forces that march upon us as we speak,” he demanded of them.

Petain then slammed his fist upon the table. “It was your foolish gambit involving our soldiers on the Odessa front that precipitated this mess – what position do you have to demand anymore of them, especially at this late hour of your quickly disintegrating political career!” he said. “Enough! – By all intents and purposes Denkin’s failure at Moscow could not have been foreseen. We had to take hold of the opportunity presented to us to crush the Marxists from their rear,” interjected Nivelle.
As infighting once again broke out among the attending parties, towards the east of Paris what remained of the mutinous Ruhr garrison, who only few days prior crossed in Lorraine province via Moselle, had begun to march through the Champagne region. Though broken and defeated by the Luxemburgists, the righteous indignation that permeated their camp was solely placed upon Clemenceau. As talk of what would be done once they reached Paris went on, a few officers, who themselves harbored sympathies with the Marxist had begun to make plans of their own.

On the night of July 4th, a letter arrived on the desk of Ludovic-Oscar Frossard, Secretary-General of the French Section of the Worker’s International. “Lend your support to a French Marxist Revolution against the Clemenceau government upon our arrival and our men are yours to command.”​

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Soviet Russia

Lenin, chaffing under the new political compromise agreed between the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, and the Ukrainian Black Army (Makhnovists), struggled to maintain his still dominating influence over the Moscow Soviet. By then Trotsky’s Smolensk offensive, which continued to score tactical victories against the Polish armies of Pilsudski, had paused after taking the city of Orsha to contemplate whether to proceed onward to Warsaw or swing back to liberate Moscow.

“If information from the capital is correct, a coup d’état by the Mensheviks has significantly curbed our party’s power,” said a Bolshevik officer to Trotsky. “Once word of this spreads to rest of the camp, it may be difficult to rouse them to continue onward.”

Upon hearing this, Trotsky began to plot. Knowing the armies charged to his command outnumbered Makhno’s Black Army, the latter’s possession of the entire political leadership of the Bolshevik Party made an offensive on Moscow impossible. “Even if we we’re able to rout the Black Army, the time and effort it would take would almost certainly lead to the destruction of the success of the revolution,” he whispered to himself. “No, we must preserve our initiative and continue onward toward Warsaw – the world revolution, not petty political arrangements, its paramount.” He then drafted several letters, each addressed to the leaderships of the Mensheviks, the Bolsheviks, and Nestor Makhno respectively, explaining his intentions for the rest of the campaign season.

“Trotsky will continue his offensive against Polish reactionaries with the goal of creating a bridge between Moscow and Berlin,” announced a empowerd Menshevik party official at a general congressional session of the Moscow Soviet. “He has no intentions to deny the political arrangement that all parties here have agreed to in the previous year and has likewise re-pledged his loyalty to this central Soviet body.”

Hearing this, Lenin, whose final hopes for rescue of Bolshevik power laid with soldiers he had placed under Trotsky’s command, resigned himself. “We must accept, for the time being, that we have been outmaneuvered, comrades,” he said in a private meeting between the Bolshevik leaders. “The destiny of our revolution lies now in the hands of the blasted Mensheviks.”

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By Mensheviks, do you mean OTL's left-Mensheviks, or the whole party? Because by then, the latter really wasn't revolutionary by any means.
 
Well, this is getting really interesting.

Forwards, comrades - the revolution shall consolidate, and then move onwards. Freedom for the people and the motherland!
 
How is it possible for the luxemburgists to take over the Ruhr area without even mentioning the anarchists there? Because, honestly, I think the anarchist FVdG (which later became the FAUD) was atleast as powerful in the Ruhr area as any marxist organization.
Will the FVdG support the luxemburgists? Demand autonomy for anarchist areas? Or even outright reject them?

Same goes for France. What is the CGT doing? Is it going more radical? Or still reformist? What about their Revolutionary Comitee? So many questions that I need answered (Give me my fix :D)

Another thing I'd like to say is that at this time, a lot of the russian councils/sovjets had anarchist leanings, and even some in Petrograd were in firm anarchist hand. Anarchists were paramount to the bolshevik revolution, not only the Black army but individual members all around russia. Anarchism was popular in Russia before and during the revolution. And the bolsheviks were first perceived as an bridge between the marxists and the anarchists with their demands for all power to the soviets and what not.
 
How is it possible for the luxemburgists to take over the Ruhr area without even mentioning the anarchists there? Because, honestly, I think the anarchist FVdG (which later became the FAUD) was atleast as powerful in the Ruhr area as any marxist organization.
Will the FVdG support the luxemburgists? Demand autonomy for anarchist areas? Or even outright reject them?

Same goes for France. What is the CGT doing? Is it going more radical? Or still reformist? What about their Revolutionary Comitee? So many questions that I need answered (Give me my fix :D)

Another thing I'd like to say is that at this time, a lot of the russian councils/sovjets had anarchist leanings, and even some in Petrograd were in firm anarchist hand. Anarchists were paramount to the bolshevik revolution, not only the Black army but individual members all around russia. Anarchism was popular in Russia before and during the revolution. And the bolsheviks were first perceived as an bridge between the marxists and the anarchists with their demands for all power to the soviets and what not.
Real politick most likely, council communism being much more popular ittl. Also worth mentioning is that the Luxembourgists are now negotiating with the rhur/Rhineland locals about the nature of thier relations going forward. Unlike otl, itl Marxists and anarchists can coexist, atleast in Germany, in Russia I feel that things won't settle so easily.
 
Before I get to my post proper, thanks @GlobalHumanism for writing such a compelling timeline. I've learned a lot about leftist movements outside of Bolshevism both directly from the TL itself and the wider thread commentary. Hell, this TL convinced me to stop lurking and make an actual account here.

As far as my actual question, I've been wondering for a while about the "African Question," with the recent update on France bringing it to mind. If my screen name didn't make it obvious already, I'm a Cabo Verdean ~ albeit one born in Providence, RI ~ and I can't help some measure of curiosity concerning the fate of the African colonies owned by nations such as France. As France is wracked by revolution, certainly their restive empire will not be content to watch and wait for the dust to settle.

Though there were always some parts of the Empire where the colonial yoke rested somewhat lighter on the populace, like Senegal, the territory of Gabon and other sections of French Equatorial Africa were in a constant state of low-level revolt during this period until the outbreak of WW2. The brilliant rebel leader Abd el-Krim would be beginning the first large-scale moves in his war for the Rif soon IOTL, and I don't see why he wouldn't be even more stunningly successful here with old Europe too desperate to fend off the Red Tide to worry about colonies overmuch. Algeria is a powder keg as always, even if it hasn't yet reached the fever pitch of our timeline's later Algerian War. Looking at the conditions, I think one would be hard-pressed to see a scenario where there aren't a number of new African countries born out of this age of revolutions. We all know the blue team is made up of a buncha imperialist fucks, so they won't be happy; what's going to be really interesting is how the Reds handle African liberation. Though it's easy to pin the European left wing's waffling on decolonization on Stalin pushing his line on them, the hard truth is that a lot of communists and anarchists prior to Stalin had some screwed thoughts concerning what should happen to Africa in the event of world (read: Western) revolution. Even the ones who didn't advocate for any African breakaway nations being forced back into the fold at gunpoint tended to believe that the worker's state should be aggressive tutors instructing the obviously less class-conscious Africans in how to be modern. Y'know, "white man's burden" in pretty red and/or black paint.

Generally, I'm interested to hear a bit about what been happening in Africa all this while and where the major players of this TL currently stand on decolonization. In a lot of ways, the truest test of how authentically commited these new worker's democracies are to the cause of human freedom will be how they treat their black brothers and sisters still resisting the yoke of empire: it's easy to call a guy who looks like you "comrade," but if the French communists can look a Guinean in eye and say the same, there's hope yet for the revolution.
 
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to add to @KidCabralista 's point, there's also the near east and the "arab question". Im not well informed about what the situation would have been at this point OTL, but i think the nationalist movements at that time were more disposed to Monarchist and bourgeois sentiments than socialist ones.
 
I can't wait to see the organization of the reactionary powers against the Comintern. With the quick advance of communism across Europe, is very likely that there is going to be a Red Scare on steroids. All those people that got ostracized for the advance of fascism have their chance now.
  • Maurras, De La Roque and De Gaulle joining forces to form a right-wing coalition if France can get away from communism. (even with an Imperial Restauration who knows?).
  • Mussolini, Grandi and Balbo on their Italian exile goverment with English support can hold in Cerdeña, Lybia and Sicily and LARP as revolutionary leader. I don't think the counterevolutionaries can hold against Gramsci for much longer
  • Mosley could be able to gather more support for his Brittish Union of Fascists. Churchill and other conservatives are going to be nore worried about the spread of communism and Mosley could be used as a politcal tool
  • I don't know if Bela Kun is doing fine but if Hungary goes Red as well, but if that's the case Condercanu and his Iron Legion have a chance to exploit the irredent claims of Romania to seize power.
  • Spain is easy: would probably be the first place where the counter revolutuonaries can hold
  • Huey Long (the legend, the meme) and pals can maybe aim for the White House if the Progressives Democrats have less suport as a result of the Red Scare. A couple of mediocre goverments of Fiscal Conservatives like in OTL, could be used by the Southern Democrats to their advantage. Hell, even the Silver Legion and the Ku Klux Klan can gather more support!!. I don't expect USA to go fascist but is very likely that the far right would have a boost.
  • Also Japan of course but if Mao has more support from the Commintern, I expect them to have a more diplomatic approach with a more agressive neighbour on the north
I imagine this handful of reactionary powers with a name like "Axis of Independent Nations" or "Coalition of Nations" as a reference to the French Revolution. Or just having the name "United Nations" to appeal to other nations. I personally expect WW2 to be a very interesting conflict with this Super Commintern.
 
By Mensheviks, do you mean OTL's left-Mensheviks, or the whole party? Because by then, the latter really wasn't revolutionary by any means.

The Mensheviks (entire faction) (Along with what was left of Left SR after the post-uprising crackdown) of this TL have surged to power off of Makno's intervention in the defense of Moscow. Again in this TL, the existence of Rosa's successful German Revolution has prompted all adjacent European and US movements to over-radicalize in a sense; which in the case of Russia, lead directly to a Leftist coup against a weakened Bolshevik-controlled constituent assembly.

How is it possible for the luxemburgists to take over the Ruhr area without even mentioning the anarchists there? Because, honestly, I think the anarchist FVdG (which later became the FAUD) was atleast as powerful in the Ruhr area as any marxist organization.
Will the FVdG support the luxemburgists? Demand autonomy for anarchist areas? Or even outright reject them?

Same goes for France. What is the CGT doing? Is it going more radical? Or still reformist? What about their Revolutionary Comitee? So many questions that I need answered (Give me my fix :D)

Another thing I'd like to say is that at this time, a lot of the russian councils/sovjets had anarchist leanings, and even some in Petrograd were in firm anarchist hand. Anarchists were paramount to the bolshevik revolution, not only the Black army but individual members all around russia. Anarchism was popular in Russia before and during the revolution. And the bolsheviks were first perceived as an bridge between the marxists and the anarchists with their demands for all power to the soviets and what not.

For the first of your question, you are right, the FVdg of the Ruhr could, in the case of this TL's 1920 uprising, be seen as the main force the precipitated it. Narratively speaking I tried to cover it by mentioning the dialogue that had to take place if the Luxemburgists hoped to include the populace into the burgeoning Union of German Council Republics. Honestly I'm constrained by the massive scope this TL has growing to consist of, so forgive if I seemed to have glanced over the nitty gritty information that surely would play a roll in TL events.

For your second, truthfully I will be drafting a full France-focused vignette (in the same fashion as my US focused "No Country for Red Men") that will explain all the players in the coming French insurrection. Included in this will be the various socialist parties (SIFO specifically) and their struggles containing their radical elements in the face of Rosa's march; trade unions like the CGT will be covered as well.

Before I get to my post proper, thanks @GlobalHumanism for writing such a compelling timeline. I've learned a lot about leftist movements outside of Bolshevism both directly from the TL itself and the wider thread commentary. Hell, this TL convinced me to stop lurking and make an actual account here.

As far as my actual question, I've been wondering for a while about the "African Question," with the recent update on France bringing it to mind. If my screen name didn't make it obvious already, I'm a Cabo Verdean ~ albeit one born in Providence, RI ~ and I can't help some measure of curiosity concerning the fate of the African colonies owned by nations such as France. As France is wracked by revolution, certainly their restive empire will not be content to watch and wait for the dust to settle.

Though there were always some parts of the Empire where the colonial yoke rested somewhat lighter on the populace, like Senegal, the territory of Gabon and other sections of French Equatorial Africa were in a constant state of low-level revolt during this period until the outbreak of WW2. The brilliant rebel leader Abd el-Krim would be beginning the first large-scale moves in his war for the Rif soon IOTL, and I don't see why he wouldn't be even more stunningly successful here with old Europe too desperate to fend off the Red Tide to worry about colonies overmuch. Algeria is a powder keg as always, even if it hasn't yet reached the fever pitch of our timeline's later Algerian War. Looking at the conditions, I think one would be hard-pressed to see a scenario where there aren't a number of new African countries born out of this age of revolutions. We all know the blue team is made up of a buncha imperialist fucks, so they won't be happy; what's going to be really interesting is how the Reds handle African liberation. Though it's easy to pin the European left wing's waffling on decolonization on Stalin pushing his line on them, the hard truth is that a lot of communists and anarchists prior to Stalin had some screwed thoughts concerning what should happen to Africa in the event of world (read: Western) revolution. Even the ones who didn't advocate for any African breakaway nations being forced back into the fold at gunpoint tended to believe that the worker's state should be aggressive tutors instructing the obviously less class-conscious Africans in how to be modern. Y'know, "white man's burden" in pretty red and/or black paint.

Generally, I'm interested to hear a bit about what been happening in Africa all this while and where the major players of this TL currently stand on decolonization. In a lot of ways, the truest test of how authentically commited these new worker's democracies are to the cause of human freedom will be how they treat their black brothers and sisters still resisting the yoke of empire: it's easy to call a guy who looks like you "comrade," but if the French communists can look a Guinean in eye and say the same, there's hope yet for the revolution.

Thanks!
To your main question, Africa is indeed going to be a battle ground of political ideologies once the European phase settles somewhat. I mean yes, if France/UK were to fall into civil war (which it may or may not) Africa may see liberation struggles sooner rather than later, but it is indeed going to be an interesting topic (race relations in a democratic worker's republic) to cover.

to add to @KidCabralista 's point, there's also the near east and the "arab question". Im not well informed about what the situation would have been at this point OTL, but i think the nationalist movements at that time were more disposed to Monarchist and bourgeois sentiments than socialist ones.

And you wouldn't be wrong, though a more leftist-leaning socialist movement could play more favorably then OTL's Bolshevik/Stalinist one. Honestly I haven't planned that butterfly out yet, but I'm open to hearing suggestions on what others think.

For the sake of my curiosity, any plans for Brazil?

Yes. What will probably happen is I'll get to the point were the German-centric part of the revolution will be settled (narratively speaking), from which I can then just focus on country specific vignettes, per reader requests.
 
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This is epic. Lenin will have to swallow his pride and accept that he can't just purge the opposition and will have to compromise to keep the Revolution alive! This is gold.

Also, considering there was a Strasserist coup in Thuringia back on chapter V... I have to ask, where are the original NazBols like Karl Otto Paetel, Ernst Niekisch or Heinrich Laufenberg. Are they on Luxemburg or Strasser's side, or are they attempting to bridge the gap between them?
 
This is epic. Lenin will have to swallow his pride and accept that he can't just purge the opposition and will have to compromise to keep the Revolution alive! This is gold.

Also, considering there was a Strasserist coup in Thuringia back on chapter V... I have to ask, where are the original NazBols like Karl Otto Paetel, Ernst Niekisch or Heinrich Laufenberg. Are they on Luxemburg or Strasser's side, or are they attempting to bridge the gap between them?

Exactly. Lenin will now have to sit in concert, rather than at the head of the table. Oh and again, Stalin is dead so that always great too. (sorry to any Stalinists out there).

For your question though, yes, there are within Strasser's camp, which is in control of a few provinces in southern Germany. Since Rosa's focus will be one of diplomacy instead of combat there may be attempts made between them and the Grand Coalition to bridge the gap. Truth be told, they are such a weird political aberration, its been hard to fit them in narratively. I may leave their ultimate fate up to a reader vote.
 
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