samcster94
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What happens if Reagan is dead and would HW be a different leader??? I wonder how 1984(and 1982 Congressional elections) would look in if that happened.
I really want to note that with Reagan dead in 1981, this is not "Morning in America" era society. Reagan will be regarded as part of the 1970s malaise period: the corruption and disillusion of Nixon, the failure of Ford and any hope in him after Nixon, and the failure of Carter and the initial hope he would fix things again, and then the assassination of Reagan. Brief respites of hope that immediately crash down to a real world that isn't getting better. It's a burn out even worse than the burnout Americans were going through up to 1980.
Soviets never fall.They survivef becouse USA de facto help them economically,Reagan take that from them and in 1987 soviets was dead.Bush try to save soviet union in 1991,so ge would not hurt them in 1981.In 2017 soviet would conqer European Union.Maybe that would be better for France and Germany - soviets could be better than caliphate.What happens if Reagan is dead and would HW be a different leader??? I wonder how 1984(and 1982 Congressional elections) would look in if that happened.
...What?Soviets never fall.They survivef becouse USA de facto help them economically,Reagan take that from them and in 1987 soviets was dead.Bush try to save soviet union in 1991,so ge would not hurt them in 1981.In 2017 soviet would conqer European Union.Maybe that would be better for France and Germany - soviets could be better than caliphate.
Because Bush tried to help preserve the USSR under Gorbachev in 1991 he would obviously not confront Brezhnev's USSR in 1981. This would lead to a surviving USSR that would conquer the EU in 2017. This is a better outcome for France and Germany than being absorbed into a Caliphate. I think we're all clear on that. Anyone wanna bet not if, but when the mods will be giving their own thoughts on this scenario, probably bringing a red warning, kick or ban sign as well?...What?
Because Bush tried to help preserve the USSR under Gorbachev in 1991 he would obviously not confront Brezhnev's USSR in 1981. This would lead to a surviving USSR that would conquer the EU in 2017. This is a better outcome for France and Germany than being absorbed into a Caliphate. I think we're all clear on that. Anyone wanna bet not if, but when the mods will be giving their own thoughts on this scenario, probably bringing a red warning, kick or ban sign as well?
Not tonight. I was being sarcastic for the most part and I thought it was pretty obvious. When people bring out that European Caliphate argument without irony in a serious discussion someone often does get kicked.......? are you trying to get kicked
Not tonight. I was being sarcastic for the most part and I thought it was pretty obvious. When people bring out that European Caliphate argument without irony in a serious discussion someone often does get kicked.
What about economic policy? Might Bish be even more Libertarian than Reagan in that regard, perhaps using Reagan's Martyr status to push through even more tax cuts then OTL? If so, that could hit his administration hard, considering that the recession is both incoming, and only gonna be made worse by political turmoil as might be caused by, oh, say, the assassination of a President. I could see the Dems retaking the Senate in 1982.Too many trolls on here. Regardless, I think he'd have a nearly identical foreign policy, but might be a bit more moderate(for 1980's Republicans) on social policy.
Well, he was a huge fiscal conservative and tax cuts were always his selling point.What about economic policy? Might BUsh be even more lIbertarian then Reagan in that regard, perhaps using Reagan's Martyr status to push through even more tax cuts then OTL? If so, that could hit his administration hard, considering that the recession is both incoming, and only gonna be made worse by political turmoil as might be caused by, oh, say, the assassination of a President. I could see the Dems retaking the Senate in 1982.
I think you're right. Remember, too, that the 1981-82 recession was quite nasty as well, so there isn't going to be any sort of good feeling emerging from the period until 1983-ish as economic recovery kicks in. It is very possible that the whole period is remembered as a grim and unpleasant slog through a 1970s that won't end. Reagan, it should be remembered, will have only served for two months and 10 days. A bit more than WH Harrison, less than James Garfield. He may be barely remembered at all. Conservatives will remember him, of course, but he will be remembered as an ideal, a quantity that never got to govern. The broader public will likely forget him for the most part, a vaguely nice man who was tragically murdered.
Over time, a Bush Administration could look very different. He'll pick a conservative VP, perhaps someone like Jack Kemp, but the staffing of the White House will not be the same. It will be more establishment conservatives and fewer movement conservatives. This will matter, particularly in national security policy, which will be more mainstream.
The Soviets conquer Europe in 2017? i.e. World War III is fought (mainly on German soil). Yet this megadeath event is better than the "caliphate"? Uh huh.Soviets never fall.They survivef becouse USA de facto help them economically,Reagan take that from them and in 1987 soviets was dead.Bush try to save soviet union in 1991,so ge would not hurt them in 1981.In 2017 soviet would conqer European Union.Maybe that would be better for France and Germany - soviets could be better than caliphate.
I suppose James Baker is going to be a key figure of this earlier George H.W. Bush administration.Over time, a Bush Administration could look very different. He'll pick a conservative VP, perhaps someone like Jack Kemp, but the staffing of the White House will not be the same. It will be more establishment conservatives and fewer movement conservatives. This will matter, particularly in national security policy, which will be more mainstream.