Romes Last Dynasty

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  1. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    I lreaized that after this update. Ill use it from this point on. I kept thinking they used a small javelin thanks for reminding me on that.

    Yes well as said before and it was an idea that occured to me before, Majorian needs an hier, and a link to the Theodosian line makes his claim stronger
     
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  2. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    That is a big truth, but in another sence the Vandals have posed the biggest threat to the empire and cannot be trusted, plus he hasnt killed all Vandals just the ones at Carthage. But even though he has killed many of them, their are many left and if they are to be forced inti the ranks theyll need to be spread thin as not to pose a threat.
     
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  3. Tarabas Well-Known Member

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    I think you are right. Vandals are not like any other barbarian people in Rome's point of view. There is a reason why the term "Vandali" (Vandals) in italian still means "person who, without any reason but pure show of violence devastates monuments and work of art".
     
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    Plus they’d be the hardest to control if left with any power in Africa. It’s one thing to match a bit to subdue the burgundians or visigoths, it’s another to have to sailed to Africa. Best to remove them from power and scatter them across the empire.
     
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    I agree. Manpower was the greatest problem during this period and with the last battle Majorian effectively killed all the Vandals able to fight. Not much left for his army.
     
  6. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    That will definitely be a major problem Majorian will have to deal with. But the Vandals were one of romes greatest enemies at the time, and untrustworthy, unlikr the visigoths who had been nominally roman foederatii for many years the Vandals had been fighting the romans.to leave any large group alive would be to invite more civil strive especially if they are left in Africa.
     
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    But didn’t he capture thousands of vandals and local militiamen?
     
  8. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    Yes he did. There will be an update on this situation in the next chapter. But as of right now their is around 4000 Vandals captured from Hippo Regius. He also had those militia join his forces and it was them that routed at the battle of Carthage. also keep in mind, information on the southern parts of the Vandal kingdom are sparce and Marcellinus is marching that way.
     
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    What do you mean by “southern parts of the vandal kingdom”? Most of the kingdom was along the coast with some of it being a tad bit deeper inland. Which means it was either populated by the local Romanized Africans or the berbers. The Berbers revolted after geiseric died, I think they feared or respected him and didn’t think his son could hold them down. They could try and rebel or they might just surrender and join Majorian. Afterall if you fear/respect one guy you’ll probably feel the same way about the guy who beat him.
     
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    The militiamen are pretty useless in war,they are better used plowing rich African fields,which is most likely something they would be doing before the war. What he needed is a trained source of manpower.Unlike the old Roman army,late Roman soldiers take years to train.
     
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    Chapter 4

    461 AD

    In the aftermath of the battle of Carthage on the 18th of August, Majorian and his men were a flurry of activity. After the initial sacking of the outer city the army had been reformed by one of Majorians younger commanders a man by the name of Flavius Julius Nepos nephew of Marcellinus. Nepos on the orders of Majorian halted the sacking and had the army reform by the gates of the city still carrying their fresh spoils of war. In the meantime Majorian had taken several thousand of the Foederatii and his Legio Augusta to the palace of the Vandal kings. It was here that he found Eudocia, Placidia, and their mother Licinia Eudoxia. In the search of the palace also rendered a vast bounty, and the treasury of the Vandal Kingdom.

    Majorian after making sure the imperial women were safe and guarded by his men, went to see the treasury himself. It was massive and could sustain the empire for years. With such an amount of plunder he could use this to ease several of the empires problems.

    After checking the treasury he also checked the tally on his men. He had lost nearly 6000 men. Most of these were the militia of which only 2000 survived, these men would be given the choice of joining majorians army as soldiers or to return to their previous lives. The remaining 2000 men were from a mixture of his Foederatii, legio Augusta and Cavalry.

    To the south Marcellinus and his 10000 were marching south in the direction of Leptis Magna the southern most city of the Vandal Kingdom. 3 days into the march, they came upon the city of Hadrumetum. The city surrendered when the Romans began perparing to siege the city. The 1000 Vandals who had been its garrison realizing romans this far south ment the worst from Carthage surrendered hoping for mercy.

    Before Marcellinus had left Majorian had given him an order. Any Vandal soldiers who surrendered were to be treated as prisoners of war, unless the situation called for it, there were to be no executions. These 1000 men were treated with dignity, though disarmed and constantly guarded, they were treated well. Their commander a far distant relative of the King even gave information of any forces towards Leptis Magna.

    The man who was distant enough to be safe from Majorians purges told Marcellinus, of a force of Vandals who were coming from the south. They numbered 3000. They were the very last of the Vandal soldiers, and if they were met by the romans of Marcellinus they would surely surrender.

    Marcellinus and this Vandal who's name was Gilderic lead the forces of Marcellinus south, Marcellinus left 2000 of his men to guard the Vandals. 3 days south of Hadrumetum, on the 24th of August, they met the last Vandal force. The 3000 Vandals paniced when they seen the size of Marcellinus's forces. They tried to turn and run from the field. But the Hunnic mercenaries of Marcellinus army cut off any escape without an arrow being fired. Marcellinus rode forward with Gilderic who spoke to the 3000 men. After making a speech on behalf of the Romans they Vandals laid down their weapons and accepted their fates. Marcellinus sent the majority of his men with the Vandals who would be escorted to Carthage. Marcellinus with 1000 of his hunnic cavalry, and 1000 men continued south. Their trac down to Leptis Magna lasted until the end of September.

    By which time Aurelianus met them at the city. His fleet had been taking men to garrison all the coastal cities, at Leptis Magna they boarded the shils of Aurelianus's fleet switching places with the new garrison.

    When Marcellinus and Aurelianus reached Carthage they were greeted with a huge amount of news. The first included the Vandals. The 8000 Vandal warriors who had survived the war would not be brought in as Foederatii. These men would join the imperial army being spread throughout all of the empire. 2000 would go to Gaul, 2000 would stay in Africa, these men would be the beginning of Africas full time army. 2000 would go to Hispania, and 2000 to Dalmatia.

    It was also at this time Marcellinus was informed that he would go back to Dalmatia and be its general in command. Aurelianus would stay in Africa but not as Admiral, Aurelianus took the position of Magister Africanum, commander of all forces in Africa. Gilderic was to join Majorians own army, and would become a commander in Majorians army though his place was not yet known. To the pride of Marcellinus, his nephew the son of Majorians general and commander of Hispanias army Nepotianus, Julius Nepos was to become Magister Militum of Majorians personal army.

    The biggest news was of a union through marriage. The now widowed Eudocia had been remarried to the Emperor of the Western Roman Empire, Flavius Julius Valerius Majorian in early September.The marriage gave Majorian claim the imperial throne not just threw conquest, which was hardly accepted by the eastern empire and his court. It gave him a link to the Theodosian dynasty, which was a by far better claim, and his children being descended from the Theodosian line would have an even stronger claim to the throne.

    In Italy as news spread of Majorians major victories and success of his campaign, one man clenched his fists in anger. His "puppet" Emperor was firmly out of his control, and was hated by the Italian aristocracy for his policies. Every week senators talked of treason and asked him to fix the situation. His passing of information to Genseric was supposed to lead to the loss of Majorians fleet and weeken the Emperor enough for him to fall under his control again, or for him to be deposed. Now the situation was out of control. Majorian was highly popular among the masses for his victory, this would only become stronger as the rewards from Africa arrived, mainly the grain to supply Italy. A solution needed to found, and soon, before Majorian became to powerful.
     
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  12. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    By the southern kingdom i mean the area down to Leptis Magna which on the mal im lookin at is their territory, i know some show it as vandal territory and others dont. The next chapter will deal with what Majorian will do with the tribes in africa, as at this point from my understanding its a few smaller kingdoms
     
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  13. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    Yes militia are prutty useless in war thats why the Vandals lost was they tried making their forces bigger by conscripting ill armed militia, and at Carthage Majorians militia lost many men and routed quickly.
     
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    Chapter 5

    461AD

    Majorian would stay in Africa through till spring of the next year. With Aurelianus he brought in a structure for the new African army. Also during this time, Roman Senator Quintus Aurelius Symmachus, son of Quintus Fabius Memmius Symmachus, grandson of Quintus Aurelius Symmachus, arrived. Symmachus was the Prefect of Africa, and would govern the province, dealing with all the civil matters. Symmachus and Majorian set up the province wide tax, this tax wasnt well received, but was enforced by the army. By the time spring came the province was ran smoothly with taxes coming without problems. Symmachus and Majorian ensured the corrupt were not in power, and the full number of taxes were always recieved.

    As the province and army organization took place, Majorian went west past were he landed on Africa by Icosium. To Caesarea, from here he sent a rider west, who would return approximately 2 weeks later followed by an army. This was King Masina, an older man who had taken control of all territory, west of Icosium. The berber Kingdom had been a constant thorne in the Vandal side, but only after the Vandal defeat at Icosium, had they secured their Kingdom properly.

    With Masina was his son Masuna, the two men lead an army roughly 3000 strong as protection. It was at Caesarea that talks would happen. It was decided the relationship the two kingdoms would have, and that wss a peaceful one. Trade was negotiated as well as territory. It was negotiated that Berber merchants could trade anywhere in the empire, and that berber men could seek to become roman soldiers if they so wished, they would be allied kingdoms. Territorial, Caesarea would become the border, and everything west was Berber territory, the only area in the west that would remain roman were the Cities, Tingus and Septum. With talks done the two rulers celebrated the peace before both left the city.

    462 AD

    When Majorian, his court and his Army stepped onto the ships, he left a well run province run by two men who were extremely loyal to him, with an army of around 6000 to protect the province.

    The army of Africa, was formed into 2 legions. As Majorian began seeing the use of Legions like his legio Augusta, which was around 5000 strong. These 2 new legions were only 3000 strong as to still keep power spread out. The Legio II Africana was composed of half the Vandals left in Africa and 2000 men of varying ethnicity, though all were roman. Legio III Auduitrix was named so because it was formed of a mixture of men, 1000 were vandal, some were roman, and others were auctually of the Foederatii who wished to stay in Africa, to complement these 2 legions 2000 cavalry were assigned from to the army. The cavalry was a mixture of locals, and Foederatii cavalry.

    From Carthage the imperial fleet landed in Sicily were Majorian spent a month traveling through the province organizing it as he had Africa. Here he left a man by the name of, Marcus Nichomachius Flavianus as prefect.

    On May 6th, the Imperial court and army landed on Italia's southern western peninsula. From here they would march north crisscrossing the the western part of Italia for the next month. Majorian was holding meeting with the city councils, meeting influential men, and presenting himself, and his now very pregnant wife to the people.

    As they reached Capua, Eudocia reached thr final weeks of the pregnancy and it was decided they would stay in the city till after the birth. It was in Capua on July 14th 462 AD, that his son would be born. The son of the Emperor was presented to the people of Capua as Flavius Julius Valerius Theodosius. At the end of July the imperial Family continued onto Rome, where Majorian settled the imperial court, making Rome capital of the Empire once again.

    It was in Rome he had his Triumph. The city of around 400,000 people, and many of these tried crowding the streets. The triumph was the first in over half a century. Majorian lead his army which was interspaced with the vast amounts of loot and the Vandal treasury inbetween. It was one of the greatest days in Romes recent history.

    Majorians first actions were telling for the people of the Empire, though many did not like his orders, they were for the benifit of the people and the empire as a whole. To then here was a man of greatness who was going to give his life to save the empire.

    As with his earlier laws, which gave coastal cities the rights to bear arms, and to increase the roman population several laws on roman marriage and the minimum age for woman to join the church. Majorians next law was for the benifit of the empire, and it was something much hated. His new law concerned the army, while he was slowly trying to make the legion system a main component of the army. He needed men to make these legions.

    The new law stated that each army would send to the local group of provinces, Hispania, Gaul, Africa, Italia, and Dalmatia, a number of the recruits needed for that year. The Praetorian Prefects/Govenor would then divide that number between the cities and their surroundings. These men would be screened as to wether they were worthy or not. It was implied that Volunteers were preferred but if needed the men would be concripted. Within weeks of the law being made the Magister Militae began exercising this law. Majorian sent messages out to ask for no further than a few hundred per province, unless they were to cause major civil unrest.


    He also passed a law on the payments of soldiers. Getting messages from his generals of the reluctance of any to join the army, he disbanded the payment through food. The army would have rations provided by local provinces, but each common soldier was to be paid a sum of 250 Siliqua (large silver roman coin)through the year as his salary, and officers larger amounts. He also added a retirement package onto the army as their had been before. Each soldier could choose between land upon retirement from the army if they so chose after 15 years, or they could choose a lump sum of 3000 Siliqua, their was an additional choice of a smaller chunk of land and 1500 Siliqua. With these changes to the army Majorian hoped to see more volunteers join the conscripts.

    Majorian was also ready to bring back the grain dole for the city of Rome, but they would have to wait for the next Harvest. In the meantime he organized the agriculture of the rest of the Empire. To the anger of the big landowners including many Senators, he set a cap on land. Much of which was used for making luxuary items like wine instead of food. Any land owned by a person over the cap would be either heavily taxed and forced into grain, or taken and given to another person to farm grain. This was done to increase the amount of food grown on the peninsula and lessen the reliance on the province of Africa. That fall as the people of Rome began to riot over food the first grain from Africa arrived alieviating the crisis.

    It was that fall that Ricimer general of Italia began his plan in earnest. Since Majorian had returned Ricimers power had deminished tenfold. His recruiting was heavier than other general and many of these men were mercenaries or barbarians, by the fall he had nearly 20,000 men in his ranks. He only had to wait for the perfect time. Many senators were up in arms over Majorians laws against their land, as well as his increased taxes and the penalty for withholding taxes. Though Ricimer detested these same men who were roughly a third of the Senate, he knew they were crucial if he was to regain the power he once held
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  15. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    Haha ill fix that. The chapter starts in late 461 and by that point its its 462. So say she got pregnant in october which is after thier marriage it would be born in june
     
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    Sure it's actually his?
     
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    If she got impregnated in October,then the baby should be born in July or August. If the baby is born earlier(let's assume that it's really his and it's an early birth),then there will probably be a lot of claims by Majorians' enemies that his son is actually a Vandal.
     
  18. StevenIronside Well-Known Member

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    I went back and looked at chapter 4 had to edit it i worded it wierd. But Majorian and Eudocia were married in September so it would be his no matter, seeing as her husband Prince Huneric was killed in August. Though that wouldve been quite the plot point had i had the birth a bit earlier. And may still be a plot point in the future.
     
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    Pregnancies are typically 9-10 months.If Huneric had sex with Eudocia sometime in August before he was killed,then chances are that he may still be the father of the baby.

    EDIT:Just did recalculations. If Majorians' wife is impregnated in October,and she gave birth in June next year,then that means that the pregnancy is only eight months. This would either be a premature baby or the child of her previous husband.
     
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    In which case Eudocia would likely follow the time honoured Roman tradition of placing the child at her husband's feet in public for him to either pick it up and thus accept it as his, or not and thus dejecting it, the way Cleopatra did with Caesarion. In Roman tradition physical paternity was much less of an issue as the ubiquitous habit of adoptions clearly demonstrates.
     
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