Romans Defeat Vandals at Carthage?

Now if I remember Heather correctly (whose book I read after Christmas), he was regarding North Africa as rather crucial to WRome's survival and the expedition of 468 as a big "what if" moment.

Now, I tend to agree a bit here. If conquering the Vandals somewhat resurrects Maritime Roman superiority, then they could hold Africa with relatively little troops and use it as a pure reservoir- something they simply had nowhere else for more than a decade at this point of time. It would be a bit like playing Turkey in "Diplomacy".

A surviving Roman Africa without an emperor in Italia (Rome was, as we know, not necessary any more...) would fall into the Byzantine sphere quickly, though. Fast forward to the 530s.
 
... its just a conversation:eek:

Anything with BG talking about Rome in it is not just a conversation. :D

One interesting question on the issue of a reconquest of Africa (the Roman term for the province in question) is what happens to the defeated Vandals.

Are they seen as subjects? Slaves? Foreign invaders to be eliminated with extreme prejudice?

The Empire incorporating them into the manpower pool as long as they're good little subjects would be a very Roman thing to do, but it may not be the response actually made.
 
...One interesting question on the issue of a reconquest of Africa (the Roman term for the province in question) is what happens to the defeated Vandals...

Marcus Aurelius sent 5,000 Sarmatians to Britannia. How about sending the Vandals to Mesopotamia or Armenia?

Transportation would not even be difficult given the "Roman Armada" has not been sunk in this ATL.

Hero of Canton
 
Marcus Aurelius sent 5,000 Sarmatians to Britannia. How about sending the Vandals to Mesopotamia or Armenia?

Transportation would not even be difficult given the "Roman Armada" has not been sunk in this ATL.

Hero of Canton

Possible. When they were defeated OTL we see a number of them formed into regiments that were sent to fight in the East.

Not sure why Armenia though. For some reason that seems unlikely, but I can't put my finger on why.
 
Possible. When they were defeated OTL we see a number of them formed into regiments that were sent to fight in the East.

Not sure why Armenia though. For some reason that seems unlikely, but I can't put my finger on why.

Armenia is a stretch I know but I wanted to get the Vandals as far away from the WRE as is possible using Roman fleet transports. They could land close to the northern frontier of Armenia by landing on the s.e. shore of the Black Sea IIRC.

Hero of Canton
 
Not sure why Armenia though. For some reason that seems unlikely, but I can't put my finger on why.

Armenia is an autonomous province of the Sassanids after the Armenian Rebellion won them religious freedom. Unless you wish to throw the vandals into a war with the Sassanids I would not suggest you try that.
 
Armenia is an autonomous province of the Sassanids after the Armenian Rebellion won them religious freedom. Unless you wish to throw the vandals into a war with the Sassanids I would not suggest you try that.

Heck, I'd thought Armenia kept its "Autonomous Roman Client" status longer than it did. :eek:

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Basileus Giorgios said:
Just imagine what it'll be like when I've finished my degree and I'm actually a proper expert on the matter... :p

:D

Armenia is an autonomous province of the Sassanids after the Armenian Rebellion won them religious freedom. Unless you wish to throw the vandals into a war with the Sassanids I would not suggest you try that.

Isn't some part of the western part in Roman hands, or did that division get made later?

I know there's a period there was both Roman and Persian Armenia.

Still problematic if so, but just checking to make sure.
 
You seem to know a lot about Rome. A piece of paper does not make you any more knowledgeable than you are already imo.

True, but a further two years of study, and exposure to more sources certainly does. When I started IE, I described myself as a "Byzantine enthusiast, not an expert". Hopefully, by the time I finish the TL and all its alterations and redraft parts of it, I will be a "Byzantine enthusiast and an expert."
 
Isn't some part of the western part in Roman hands, or did that division get made later?

I know there's a period there was both Roman and Persian Armenia.

Still problematic if so, but just checking to make sure.

Not really(at this time). This map helps.

Persian_Armenia.gif

As you can see, almost all Armenian lands including Lake Van are shown as Persian.
 
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Degrees in History

True, but a further two years of study, and exposure to more sources certainly does. When I started IE, I described myself as a "Byzantine enthusiast, not an expert". Hopefully, by the time I finish the TL and all its alterations and redraft parts of it, I will be a "Byzantine enthusiast and an expert."

Personally I'd recommend going all the way to a PhD if possible. I got a MA in Ancient History (wrote my thesis on Roman Britain). To this day I regret stopping there and not getting my PhD. Just some friendly advice. Follow your passion. Don't let the advice of a well-meaning faculty adviser dissuade you as it did me. :)

Hero of Canton
 
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