Romanian speaking Bulgaria and Thrace

Could the territory of present day Bulgaria aswell as the region of Thrace, become Romanian speaking sometime post the fall of the Roman Empire? How so?
 
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What do you mean by after the fall of Rome, given the area we’re talking about? ;)

After all, a post-1453 PoD is definitely far too late.

However, post-476 seems doable if you butterfly away the Slav migrations or delay them in “Dacia” to pick up Romanian instead.
 
Do we even know whether Romanian comes from Daco-Romance rather than Moeso-Romance? If the former, then problably ASB: the Bulgaria region was just much more densely populated than the Transylania region were it is speculated a Romance survival might have occured. If the latter, then you could just avoid the Slavic migrations. However, you should also see that with such an early POD, there will be no such thing as Romanian, and the population movements by Romance-speaking people that are speculated for that scenario will likely not occur. So you may end up with a "Romanian" speaking Moesia and Northern Thrace, but not a Romance speaking "Romania", unless you have a simultaneous Romance survival there.
 
What do you mean by after the fall of Rome, given the area we’re talking about? ;)

After all, a post-1453 PoD is definitely far too late.

However, post-476 seems doable if you butterfly away the Slav migrations or delay them in “Dacia” to pick up Romanian instead.
#Byzantine empire was not Roman
 
Do we even know whether Romanian comes from Daco-Romance rather than Moeso-Romance? If the former, then problably ASB: the Bulgaria region was just much more densely populated than the Transylania region were it is speculated a Romance survival might have occured. If the latter, then you could just avoid the Slavic migrations. However, you should also see that with such an early POD, there will be no such thing as Romanian, and the population movements by Romance-speaking people that are speculated for that scenario will likely not occur. So you may end up with a "Romanian" speaking Moesia and Northern Thrace, but not a Romance speaking "Romania", unless you have a simultaneous Romance survival there.
Would Moeso Romance be considered a seperate language from Daco Romance had it survived till present day?
 

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Could the territory of present day Bulgaria aswell as the region of Thrace, become Romanian speaking sometime post the fall of the Roman Empire? How so?
Most of Bulgaria was inhabited by proto-Romanians before the 7th century Slavic invasions.
 
Would Moeso Romance be considered a seperate language from Daco Romance had it survived till present day?

That depends a lot on two factors:

a) Was Daco-Romance descended from or closely related to Moeso-Romance, or did it develop independently?
b) If they had a common origin, how long and how much would they had diverged?

We don't really have the knowledge to answer either of those from OTL. In this scenario, and assuming the existence of a Daco-Romance survival as a Romanian ancestor, it's all going to depend on the polity that rules the region. I think your best bet is a Steppe empire with OTL's early Bulgarian borders, preferably in a scenario that does not see the slavization of the region, and having it Latinize in a process similar to the slavization of either the Avars (more "elite-based") or the Bulgars (more "peasant-based"). This doesn't require a "no slavic migration" scenario, just one were the Romans don't lose control of the area, have be less devastated, and don't promote resettlement of moesians in Greece and Anatolia.
 
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The Asenevs were most likely of Cuman origin, judging by their names. And calling the Second Bulgarian Empire a Romanian state is at best a substantial exaggeration and significantly misleading.

Most of Bulgaria was inhabited by proto-Romanians before the 7th century Slavic invasions.
Not really. It was inhabited by Thracians which were assimilated into either Latin or Greek culture, depending on their location. So at most you could call northern Bulgaria inhabited by proto-Romanians but that would be an anachronism.
 
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