Romania joins the Entente in 1915

Hypothetically, if Romania had joined the Entente in early 1915 for whatever reason, let's say they believe that Italy's entrance into the war ensures a victory for Britain/France/Russia/Serbia/Italy, how big of an impact would it have made?
 
IIRC in 1915 Russia was even weaker than in 1916 (Ammo shortages) - so Romania might have been overrun as 1916 IOTL. This would give CPs some more access to Food and Oil + stuff.

Thanks for this nice present :D
 

BlondieBC

Banned
Hugely dependent upon the month. If when Italy enters the war, then the Central Powers may collapse. If later in the year, the Germans will divert resources from the Russia attack and crush Romania. At one point, German was looking at attacking Romania so they could get supplies to the Ottomans.

Also, depending upon the Scenario, it might bring Bulgaria in the war earlier. Likely a substantial net plus for the Entente and shortens the war due to food issues in A-H and potential A-H collapse.
 
Yes it depends on the month.

If they enter the war in April or May then that may tip the opportunistic Bulgarians into the Entente camp. That cuts off Turkey from all CP support and may even encourage the Entente to stick out it a little longer at Gallipoli and perhaps win against a Turkey starved of weapons and supplies.

Even if the CP assembled the forces and overran Romania it would spare Serbia into 1916. Faced with a 3 front war the Austro-Hungarians have much bigger problems.
 
What do know about it, to call the Bulgarians opportunistic? Or you are just yet another "specialist", stating it as a fact without any need of proving it? :mad:
 
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What do know about it, to call the Bulgarians opportunistic? Or you are just yet another "specialist", stating it as a fact without any need of proving it? :mad:

As a Bulgarian about Bulgarians being opportunistic I'd comment "not enough unfortunatelly!" ;)
 
What do know about it, to call the Bulgarians opportunistic? Or you are just yet another "specialist", stating it as a fact without any need of proving it? :mad:

Check the negotiations that took place. The Bulgarians had territorial claims on all their Balkan neighbours.

They were looking for a winning side to get territory. Similar to Italy in that respect. IMO that equals opportunistic and they picked the wrong side and lost. Italy picked the winning the side.
 
Just as I thought! Ever heard of the saying: "History is written by the winners?" Bulgaria has layed claims only on territories, INHABITED BY A BULGARIAN ETHNIC MAJORITY. There are numerous documents, proving it. I am sure you know this, being the expert that you are.
 
Just as I thought! Ever heard of the saying: "History is written by the winners?" Bulgaria has layed claims only on territories, INHABITED BY A BULGARIAN ETHNIC MAJORITY. There are numerous documents, proving it. I am sure you know this, being the expert that you are.

I think you have a problem with 'experts' even though I never said I was one.

I don't talk to people with emotional problems. Sorry.
 
First you insult my nation, by calling it opportunistic and then you insult me, by calling me a person with "emotional problems". Now this is something you should be sorry about. It si called manners. You never said you are an expert? Even poorly familiar with the case is something you have the base to call yourself. In order to be able to express such strong allegations of this nation or other being called opportunistic you need to have read quite a number of books on the problem and the more viewpoints in them the better. Here are some issues you can take as a starting point, I will skip going centuries back in order not to bore you further:

- at the beginning of the 19th century thousands of Bulgarians joined the Serbian and Greek liberation uprisings, to the fact that the commander of the cavalry of the Greek revolutionaries was a Bulgarian.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Χατζή_Χρήστος_Ντάγκοβιτς (Hadzhi Hristo the Bulgarian - Χατζή Χρήστος Βούλγαρης), born in the village of Nisi - Νησί, present day Greece. After the Greek War of Independence he was made a general and elected to the Constitutional Assembly as a representative of the Thraco-Macedonias BULGARIANS, which perfectly demonstrates which territory were my ancestors trying to liberate from Greece.
In gratitude the Greeks launched a campaign of propaganda, stating that the Bulgarians are merely Slavo-phonic Greeks.

- at the beginning of the First Serbian Uprising the contemporary witnesses write: "The Bulgarians were the first who rushed at the aid of their brothers of the same faith." The Russian diplomat L. Kiriko goes on and writes in his diary that; "As many as 20 000 Bulgarian families from North-Western Bulgaria joined the Serbian revolutionaries." There were many Bulgarian volunteers and it is enough to point the fact, that a Bulgarian, Kondo Vojvoda, was entrusted personally by the leader of the revolution - Kara George - to lead the assault on the Belgrade fortress - the citadel of Ottoman rule in Serbia. Other Bulgarians were entrusted with the governance and military leadership of whole regions of Serbia, which were yet to be liberated.
In gratitude the Serbs also launched a propaganda campaign, claiming vast ethnic Bulgarian territories to be in fact Serbian, together with their population. The Serbs conquered a number of Ottoman districts, inhabited by Bulgarians in 1833 and started to assimilate the people. In order to counter that the Bulgarians in the Serbian Principality and the Ottoman Empire organised the Uprisings in Pirot, Nis and other places, but these uprising were also "hijacked" by Serbian propaganda as Serbian revolts for independence. In addition our western neighbours even tried to make the Bulgarians from present day Western Bulgaria take arms against the empire and brand these uprisings as "Serbian". About the ethnic composition of the lands as far as Nis you could read Jérôme-Adolphe Blanqui, as he was tasked to make an enquiry about the brutal means of the Turks to subdue the revolutionaries. Even after such treacherous dealings by a nation, close to ours not only in ethnic origin, but also in religion. Our ancestors yet again ignored that for the sake of all the christian nations on the Balkans and formed TWO VOLUNTEER military unit in Belgrade to fight for the Serbs, which they deemed brothers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Legion

- in exchange for our kindness we did not receive help from our neighbours in our fighting with the Ottoman empire. We offered our help without asking anything in return and were left alone in our struggle. Nevertheless after our nation suffered so many attrocities during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Uprising as many as 5 000 Bulgarian revolutionaries, that have lost our revolution and evaded exile in Anatolia ahve rushed to Bosnia to join the fighting there.
(By the way, if you care to look at the map in the article about the April uprising you will see the boundaries of the ethnic Bulgarian lands at the time. And this is not propaganda. When the independent Bulgarian church was formed in 1872 the Ottoman sultan ordered plebiscite to be held in all the lands, claimed to be Bulgarian and what you see on th emap is the result of that plebiscite.)

- once again as a show of their gratitude the Serbs waited during the Russo-Turkish War to see how it would turn out and as soon as they saw, that the Ottoman empire was beaten they quickly, but safely at that point entered the war at the end and on the winning side (how would you call this, hmm, opportunistic?) in order to claim the Nis region, which to that point was ethnicly Bulgarian.

- when there was internal power struggle in Serbia in the begining of the 1880s the losing side fled to Western Bulgaria. At that time our country was in a diplomatical isolation and we were threatened by Belgrade, that if we do not banish the revolutionaries back to Serbia our country will be invaded. If that occure we would have been left absolutely alone without outside help yet again. Nevertheless we stood firm and denied the Serbian requests. After that these exiles returned to Serbia and came back to power. In 1885 we managed to reunite our Principality with Eastern Rumelia, which was a Bulgarian ethnic territory, and this was obvious to everybody. As a sign of gratitude, that BUlgaria has stood behind them during their exile and most probably has thus saved their lives the politicians in power in Belgrade, declared, that they are threatened by the unification of the two biggest ethnic Bulgarian territories and demand compensation. After that invaded our country at a moment, when about 80% of our army was at the Turkish border, which I take according to you is not an opportunistic act. They got the treatment they deserved, from a Bulgarian army, that was left behind by the higher command echelon of Russian colonels and generals, an army that lacked heavy artillery and an army roughly the size of the Serbian. One of the first things an army cadets learns in a military academy is, that you need a nummerical superiority of at least 3:1 in order to even think about advancing towards the enemy. Our new and inexperienced army has made it past Pirot with virtually NO advantage in numbers. Being the opportunists, that we are according to you, our ancestors, after having tremendously beaten the enemy, signed a peace treaty of ONE ARTICLE:
"La paix est rétablie entre le Royaume de Serbie et la Principauté de Bulgarie, à dater du jour de la signature du présent tráite." "The peace between the Kingdom of Serbia and the Principality of Bulgaria is restored at the terms before the outbreak of the war."
No territorial claims, no reparations, NO NOTHING! Your thoughts about that?

- being the opportunists you call them, our ancestors were approached in 1897 by the Greeks to join forces in a war against the Ottoman empire and divide the European territories of the empire amongst them. Those opportunistic, war-loving bastards declined, do you believe this? As a result the Greeks have lost the war. Because our ancestors were, as you claim, opportunistically seeking the winning side in the wars to jump aboard they almost single-handedly defeated the Ottoman empire in 1912. While engaging the major Ottoman forces on the Adrianople front the Serbs and the Greeks used the opportunity to occupy lands, inhabited by Bulgarians and lands, that were agreed upon, that were to join Bulgaria. While Bulgarian soldiers were still fighting the Turks Serbia and Greece entered secret negotiations against their ally. Of course this is not what Serbian and Greek propaganda literature claims. It claims that right after the end of the First Balkan War the blood-thirsty Bulgarian savages went on to fight their former allies.

- about our territorial claims towards Romania I suggest you take a closer look just at Tulcea, a town which is in the northernmost part of Dobrudja, you will get the figure about the situation to the south of it:
* in 1805 the first Bulgarian school for boys opened its doors in Tulcea
* in 1807 the Bulgarian population of Tulcea opened the first private hospital in the Balkans, since 1857 it is named "Bright Bulgaria", don't you find this strange for a land, claimed to be Romanian?
* in 1857 the church of St. George opened its doors. Would you care to look at that Romanian foto:
http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Sveti_Georgi_Tulcha_1917.jpg it sais Biserica Bulgară. Now you don't need to be able to speak the language, in order to tell me what Bulgară means in Romanian.
* the Tulcea Literature society (a library and cultural institute at the same time) opened its doors in 1861 under the name: "Tarnovo Assembly", Tarnovo, as in the capitol of the Second Bulgarian Empire, strange people those Romanians!
* another curious thing is the Bulgarian revolutionary commitee, established also in Tulcea in 1861
* in 1862 citizens of Tulcea joined the First Bulgarian Legion in Belgrade
* in 1865 the Tulceans opened a social club, where they met. You know its name? "The Bulgarian casino".
You know what? Why don't you just use google translator ot something to read http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тулча#.D0.92.D1.8A.D0.B7.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.B6.D0.B4.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B5

- about Eastern Thrace just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bulgarians_in_1913 but I warn you about the graphic images at the end of the page.

I can go on, but I am pretty sure you won't even bother to read thus far. You are in no capacity to lay insulting assumptions on nations, which history is not familiar to you. This is the reason why you "don't talk to people with emotional problems". It is called arrogance. Now I am pretty sure, that me and my countrymen won't receive an appology for that. I am just amazed, that the forum standards for such speculations are that low.
 
First you insult my nation, by calling it opportunistic and then you insult me, by calling me a person with "emotional problems". Now this is something you should be sorry about. It si called manners. You never said you are an expert? Even poorly familiar with the case is something you have the base to call yourself. In order to be able to express such strong allegations of this nation or other being called opportunistic you need to have read quite a number of books on the problem and the more viewpoints in them the better. Here are some issues you can take as a starting point, I will skip going centuries back in order not to bore you further:

- at the beginning of the 19th century thousands of Bulgarians joined the Serbian and Greek liberation uprisings, to the fact that the commander of the cavalry of the Greek revolutionaries was a Bulgarian.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Χατζή_Χρήστος_Ντάγκοβιτς (Hadzhi Hristo the Bulgarian - Χατζή Χρήστος Βούλγαρης), born in the village of Nisi - Νησί, present day Greece. After the Greek War of Independence he was made a general and elected to the Constitutional Assembly as a representative of the Thraco-Macedonias BULGARIANS, which perfectly demonstrates which territory were my ancestors trying to liberate from Greece.
In gratitude the Greeks launched a campaign of propaganda, stating that the Bulgarians are merely Slavo-phonic Greeks.

- at the beginning of the First Serbian Uprising the contemporary witnesses write: "The Bulgarians were the first who rushed at the aid of their brothers of the same faith." The Russian diplomat L. Kiriko goes on and writes in his diary that; "As many as 20 000 Bulgarian families from North-Western Bulgaria joined the Serbian revolutionaries." There were many Bulgarian volunteers and it is enough to point the fact, that a Bulgarian, Kondo Vojvoda, was entrusted personally by the leader of the revolution - Kara George - to lead the assault on the Belgrade fortress - the citadel of Ottoman rule in Serbia. Other Bulgarians were entrusted with the governance and military leadership of whole regions of Serbia, which were yet to be liberated.
In gratitude the Serbs also launched a propaganda campaign, claiming vast ethnic Bulgarian territories to be in fact Serbian, together with their population. The Serbs conquered a number of Ottoman districts, inhabited by Bulgarians in 1833 and started to assimilate the people. In order to counter that the Bulgarians in the Serbian Principality and the Ottoman Empire organised the Uprisings in Pirot, Nis and other places, but these uprising were also "hijacked" by Serbian propaganda as Serbian revolts for independence. In addition our western neighbours even tried to make the Bulgarians from present day Western Bulgaria take arms against the empire and brand these uprisings as "Serbian". About the ethnic composition of the lands as far as Nis you could read Jérôme-Adolphe Blanqui, as he was tasked to make an enquiry about the brutal means of the Turks to subdue the revolutionaries. Even after such treacherous dealings by a nation, close to ours not only in ethnic origin, but also in religion. Our ancestors yet again ignored that for the sake of all the christian nations on the Balkans and formed TWO VOLUNTEER military unit in Belgrade to fight for the Serbs, which they deemed brothers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Legion

- in exchange for our kindness we did not receive help from our neighbours in our fighting with the Ottoman empire. We offered our help without asking anything in return and were left alone in our struggle. Nevertheless after our nation suffered so many attrocities during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Uprising as many as 5 000 Bulgarian revolutionaries, that have lost our revolution and evaded exile in Anatolia ahve rushed to Bosnia to join the fighting there.
(By the way, if you care to look at the map in the article about the April uprising you will see the boundaries of the ethnic Bulgarian lands at the time. And this is not propaganda. When the independent Bulgarian church was formed in 1872 the Ottoman sultan ordered plebiscite to be held in all the lands, claimed to be Bulgarian and what you see on th emap is the result of that plebiscite.)

- once again as a show of their gratitude the Serbs waited during the Russo-Turkish War to see how it would turn out and as soon as they saw, that the Ottoman empire was beaten they quickly, but safely at that point entered the war at the end and on the winning side (how would you call this, hmm, opportunistic?) in order to claim the Nis region, which to that point was ethnicly Bulgarian.

- when there was internal power struggle in Serbia in the begining of the 1880s the losing side fled to Western Bulgaria. At that time our country was in a diplomatical isolation and we were threatened by Belgrade, that if we do not banish the revolutionaries back to Serbia our country will be invaded. If that occure we would have been left absolutely alone without outside help yet again. Nevertheless we stood firm and denied the Serbian requests. After that these exiles returned to Serbia and came back to power. In 1885 we managed to reunite our Principality with Eastern Rumelia, which was a Bulgarian ethnic territory, and this was obvious to everybody. As a sign of gratitude, that BUlgaria has stood behind them during their exile and most probably has thus saved their lives the politicians in power in Belgrade, declared, that they are threatened by the unification of the two biggest ethnic Bulgarian territories and demand compensation. After that invaded our country at a moment, when about 80% of our army was at the Turkish border, which I take according to you is not an opportunistic act. They got the treatment they deserved, from a Bulgarian army, that was left behind by the higher command echelon of Russian colonels and generals, an army that lacked heavy artillery and an army roughly the size of the Serbian. One of the first things an army cadets learns in a military academy is, that you need a nummerical superiority of at least 3:1 in order to even think about advancing towards the enemy. Our new and inexperienced army has made it past Pirot with virtually NO advantage in numbers. Being the opportunists, that we are according to you, our ancestors, after having tremendously beaten the enemy, signed a peace treaty of ONE ARTICLE:
"La paix est rétablie entre le Royaume de Serbie et la Principauté de Bulgarie, à dater du jour de la signature du présent tráite." "The peace between the Kingdom of Serbia and the Principality of Bulgaria is restored at the terms before the outbreak of the war."
No territorial claims, no reparations, NO NOTHING! Your thoughts about that?

- being the opportunists you call them, our ancestors were approached in 1897 by the Greeks to join forces in a war against the Ottoman empire and divide the European territories of the empire amongst them. Those opportunistic, war-loving bastards declined, do you believe this? As a result the Greeks have lost the war. Because our ancestors were, as you claim, opportunistically seeking the winning side in the wars to jump aboard they almost single-handedly defeated the Ottoman empire in 1912. While engaging the major Ottoman forces on the Adrianople front the Serbs and the Greeks used the opportunity to occupy lands, inhabited by Bulgarians and lands, that were agreed upon, that were to join Bulgaria. While Bulgarian soldiers were still fighting the Turks Serbia and Greece entered secret negotiations against their ally. Of course this is not what Serbian and Greek propaganda literature claims. It claims that right after the end of the First Balkan War the blood-thirsty Bulgarian savages went on to fight their former allies.

- about our territorial claims towards Romania I suggest you take a closer look just at Tulcea, a town which is in the northernmost part of Dobrudja, you will get the figure about the situation to the south of it:
* in 1805 the first Bulgarian school for boys opened its doors in Tulcea
* in 1807 the Bulgarian population of Tulcea opened the first private hospital in the Balkans, since 1857 it is named "Bright Bulgaria", don't you find this strange for a land, claimed to be Romanian?
* in 1857 the church of St. George opened its doors. Would you care to look at that Romanian foto:
http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Sveti_Georgi_Tulcha_1917.jpg it sais Biserica Bulgară. Now you don't need to be able to speak the language, in order to tell me what Bulgară means in Romanian.
* the Tulcea Literature society (a library and cultural institute at the same time) opened its doors in 1861 under the name: "Tarnovo Assembly", Tarnovo, as in the capitol of the Second Bulgarian Empire, strange people those Romanians!
* another curious thing is the Bulgarian revolutionary commitee, established also in Tulcea in 1861
* in 1862 citizens of Tulcea joined the First Bulgarian Legion in Belgrade
* in 1865 the Tulceans opened a social club, where they met. You know its name? "The Bulgarian casino".
You know what? Why don't you just use google translator ot something to read http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тулча#.D0.92.D1.8A.D0.B7.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.B6.D0.B4.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B5

- about Eastern Thrace just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bulgarians_in_1913 but I warn you about the graphic images at the end of the page.

I can go on, but I am pretty sure you won't even bother to read thus far. You are in no capacity to lay insulting assumptions on nations, which history is not familiar to you. This is the reason why you "don't talk to people with emotional problems". It is called arrogance. Now I am pretty sure, that me and my countrymen won't receive an appology for that. I am just amazed, that the forum standards for such speculations are that low.

Sleep well.
 
First you insult my nation, by calling it opportunistic and then you insult me, by calling me a person with "emotional problems". Now this is something you should be sorry about. It si called manners. You never said you are an expert? Even poorly familiar with the case is something you have the base to call yourself. In order to be able to express such strong allegations of this nation or other being called opportunistic you need to have read quite a number of books on the problem and the more viewpoints in them the better. Here are some issues you can take as a starting point, I will skip going centuries back in order not to bore you further:

- at the beginning of the 19th century thousands of Bulgarians joined the Serbian and Greek liberation uprisings, to the fact that the commander of the cavalry of the Greek revolutionaries was a Bulgarian.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Χατζή_Χρήστος_Ντάγκοβιτς (Hadzhi Hristo the Bulgarian - Χατζή Χρήστος Βούλγαρης), born in the village of Nisi - Νησί, present day Greece. After the Greek War of Independence he was made a general and elected to the Constitutional Assembly as a representative of the Thraco-Macedonias BULGARIANS, which perfectly demonstrates which territory were my ancestors trying to liberate from Greece.
In gratitude the Greeks launched a campaign of propaganda, stating that the Bulgarians are merely Slavo-phonic Greeks.

- at the beginning of the First Serbian Uprising the contemporary witnesses write: "The Bulgarians were the first who rushed at the aid of their brothers of the same faith." The Russian diplomat L. Kiriko goes on and writes in his diary that; "As many as 20 000 Bulgarian families from North-Western Bulgaria joined the Serbian revolutionaries." There were many Bulgarian volunteers and it is enough to point the fact, that a Bulgarian, Kondo Vojvoda, was entrusted personally by the leader of the revolution - Kara George - to lead the assault on the Belgrade fortress - the citadel of Ottoman rule in Serbia. Other Bulgarians were entrusted with the governance and military leadership of whole regions of Serbia, which were yet to be liberated.
In gratitude the Serbs also launched a propaganda campaign, claiming vast ethnic Bulgarian territories to be in fact Serbian, together with their population. The Serbs conquered a number of Ottoman districts, inhabited by Bulgarians in 1833 and started to assimilate the people. In order to counter that the Bulgarians in the Serbian Principality and the Ottoman Empire organised the Uprisings in Pirot, Nis and other places, but these uprising were also "hijacked" by Serbian propaganda as Serbian revolts for independence. In addition our western neighbours even tried to make the Bulgarians from present day Western Bulgaria take arms against the empire and brand these uprisings as "Serbian". About the ethnic composition of the lands as far as Nis you could read Jérôme-Adolphe Blanqui, as he was tasked to make an enquiry about the brutal means of the Turks to subdue the revolutionaries. Even after such treacherous dealings by a nation, close to ours not only in ethnic origin, but also in religion. Our ancestors yet again ignored that for the sake of all the christian nations on the Balkans and formed TWO VOLUNTEER military unit in Belgrade to fight for the Serbs, which they deemed brothers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Legion

- in exchange for our kindness we did not receive help from our neighbours in our fighting with the Ottoman empire. We offered our help without asking anything in return and were left alone in our struggle. Nevertheless after our nation suffered so many attrocities during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Uprising as many as 5 000 Bulgarian revolutionaries, that have lost our revolution and evaded exile in Anatolia ahve rushed to Bosnia to join the fighting there.
(By the way, if you care to look at the map in the article about the April uprising you will see the boundaries of the ethnic Bulgarian lands at the time. And this is not propaganda. When the independent Bulgarian church was formed in 1872 the Ottoman sultan ordered plebiscite to be held in all the lands, claimed to be Bulgarian and what you see on th emap is the result of that plebiscite.)

- once again as a show of their gratitude the Serbs waited during the Russo-Turkish War to see how it would turn out and as soon as they saw, that the Ottoman empire was beaten they quickly, but safely at that point entered the war at the end and on the winning side (how would you call this, hmm, opportunistic?) in order to claim the Nis region, which to that point was ethnicly Bulgarian.

- when there was internal power struggle in Serbia in the begining of the 1880s the losing side fled to Western Bulgaria. At that time our country was in a diplomatical isolation and we were threatened by Belgrade, that if we do not banish the revolutionaries back to Serbia our country will be invaded. If that occure we would have been left absolutely alone without outside help yet again. Nevertheless we stood firm and denied the Serbian requests. After that these exiles returned to Serbia and came back to power. In 1885 we managed to reunite our Principality with Eastern Rumelia, which was a Bulgarian ethnic territory, and this was obvious to everybody. As a sign of gratitude, that BUlgaria has stood behind them during their exile and most probably has thus saved their lives the politicians in power in Belgrade, declared, that they are threatened by the unification of the two biggest ethnic Bulgarian territories and demand compensation. After that invaded our country at a moment, when about 80% of our army was at the Turkish border, which I take according to you is not an opportunistic act. They got the treatment they deserved, from a Bulgarian army, that was left behind by the higher command echelon of Russian colonels and generals, an army that lacked heavy artillery and an army roughly the size of the Serbian. One of the first things an army cadets learns in a military academy is, that you need a nummerical superiority of at least 3:1 in order to even think about advancing towards the enemy. Our new and inexperienced army has made it past Pirot with virtually NO advantage in numbers. Being the opportunists, that we are according to you, our ancestors, after having tremendously beaten the enemy, signed a peace treaty of ONE ARTICLE:
"La paix est rétablie entre le Royaume de Serbie et la Principauté de Bulgarie, à dater du jour de la signature du présent tráite." "The peace between the Kingdom of Serbia and the Principality of Bulgaria is restored at the terms before the outbreak of the war."
No territorial claims, no reparations, NO NOTHING! Your thoughts about that?

- being the opportunists you call them, our ancestors were approached in 1897 by the Greeks to join forces in a war against the Ottoman empire and divide the European territories of the empire amongst them. Those opportunistic, war-loving bastards declined, do you believe this? As a result the Greeks have lost the war. Because our ancestors were, as you claim, opportunistically seeking the winning side in the wars to jump aboard they almost single-handedly defeated the Ottoman empire in 1912. While engaging the major Ottoman forces on the Adrianople front the Serbs and the Greeks used the opportunity to occupy lands, inhabited by Bulgarians and lands, that were agreed upon, that were to join Bulgaria. While Bulgarian soldiers were still fighting the Turks Serbia and Greece entered secret negotiations against their ally. Of course this is not what Serbian and Greek propaganda literature claims. It claims that right after the end of the First Balkan War the blood-thirsty Bulgarian savages went on to fight their former allies.

- about our territorial claims towards Romania I suggest you take a closer look just at Tulcea, a town which is in the northernmost part of Dobrudja, you will get the figure about the situation to the south of it:
* in 1805 the first Bulgarian school for boys opened its doors in Tulcea
* in 1807 the Bulgarian population of Tulcea opened the first private hospital in the Balkans, since 1857 it is named "Bright Bulgaria", don't you find this strange for a land, claimed to be Romanian?
* in 1857 the church of St. George opened its doors. Would you care to look at that Romanian foto:
http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Sveti_Georgi_Tulcha_1917.jpg it sais Biserica Bulgară. Now you don't need to be able to speak the language, in order to tell me what Bulgară means in Romanian.
* the Tulcea Literature society (a library and cultural institute at the same time) opened its doors in 1861 under the name: "Tarnovo Assembly", Tarnovo, as in the capitol of the Second Bulgarian Empire, strange people those Romanians!
* another curious thing is the Bulgarian revolutionary commitee, established also in Tulcea in 1861
* in 1862 citizens of Tulcea joined the First Bulgarian Legion in Belgrade
* in 1865 the Tulceans opened a social club, where they met. You know its name? "The Bulgarian casino".
You know what? Why don't you just use google translator ot something to read http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тулча#.D0.92.D1.8A.D0.B7.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.B6.D0.B4.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B5

- about Eastern Thrace just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bulgarians_in_1913 but I warn you about the graphic images at the end of the page.

I can go on, but I am pretty sure you won't even bother to read thus far. You are in no capacity to lay insulting assumptions on nations, which history is not familiar to you. This is the reason why you "don't talk to people with emotional problems". It is called arrogance. Now I am pretty sure, that me and my countrymen won't receive an appology for that. I am just amazed, that the forum standards for such speculations are that low.

You lose all objectivity. Go take your petty biased nationalism to another thread where objectivity is not required. Also being opportunistic is not an insult, and nobody ever said it was.In addition if a sentence long response conjured this out of you I am inclined to agree on the emotional problems part.
 

BlondieBC

Banned
Bulgaria wanted additional territory, a lot of which it had held then lost in Balkan wars. It wanted a coastal strip of Romania, Southern Serbia, and parts of Greece. These areas had substantial Bulgarian populations and substantial non-Bulgarian populations.

Bulgaria was not unique in this regard.
 
Romania joining on the Entente side might make Bulgaria joining the CPs side - Bulgaria had more claims to Entente (allies) than to CPs. So Bulgaria has a strong incentive to join CPs. But If Bulgaria stays out of the war - then the War will be (much) shorter.
 

BlondieBC

Banned
So if Romania joins before Bulgaria, the war will likely end sooner?

Likely, but not certain. There are butterflies that could help the Entente, if Romania entry is late in 1915. Conrad (A-H) made a major blunder in mid-1916 which could be butterflied away and late in 1916, Germany has troops available in reserve for Verdun that could be sent south. And with this complicated war, you might cause the Entente to make a major mistake. For Example, what if Romania entry gets the UK to decide not to leave Gallipoli even after the Germany to Turkey railroad is available, and the forces of Gallipoli are lost due the use of the heavy siege guns used at Verdun.
 
Romania joining on the Entente side might make Bulgaria joining the CPs side - Bulgaria had more claims to Entente (allies) than to CPs. So Bulgaria has a strong incentive to join CPs. But If Bulgaria stays out of the war - then the War will be (much) shorter.

Depends on how the Ottomans are doing. If both conditions are true (Romania = Entente early, Ottomans doing badly) then Bulgaria is probably better off going for Thrace anyway.
 
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