Rocket's Red Glare == What if the USSR Won The Cold War?

Are you relying on people going back and looking at the old TL, or is it just that you want to take a week or so to give old friends of the old version some teasers before systematically restarting a new version stand-alone?

Without looking at your Old version, it seems you started with a POD of "CSA survives" back in the 1860s, then butterfly netted the rest of the world until 1941. It is unclear to me whether the balkanized USA is something that happened not long after the 1860s, or whether the ATL USA kept together until some mid-20th century crisis, presumably some form of the Great Depression, shattered it.

Either way you mention that Poland was absorbed into the USSR "because the USA was not around to protest." That might not mean that no American powers were involved in WWII; if I presume the split up happened before 1939, it would be plausible to have all of the NE, USA, USSA, and CSA joining with Britain and the USSR, which helps me believe a defeat of the Axis is possible on a similar timetable to OTL with a similar odd couple Grand alliance of more or less satisfied liberal-capitalist powers and Leninist ones.

USSA might not of course be a Leninist type state, it might be a quite democratic and politically diverse socialist dominated worker's republic which might explain why it does not aggressively take control of the USA and New England and the prairie UAR--or if one is a strong disbeliever in the sustainability of socialist nations, in so attempting get their asses kicked and conquered in their turn, partitioned among the anti-Red victors. Actually as someone who certainly hopes a democratic socialist system can be superior to anything yet seen on Earth OTL I would think that even if in the 1939-'45 period the two northeast former USA regimes plus CSA could all agree to disagree with a scrupulously peace-keeping (though eager to support the Soviets) USSA, that with the USSA scrupulously remaining non-aggressive in the military sense, that the "threat of a good example" might prevail and insofar as any of the Atlantic coast USA successor nations remain actually democratic, or suspectible to democratic revolution, that the people there would tend to vote themselves into an economically viable USSA--and that a similar tendency to attract common people would draw in the UAR and thus eventually "subvert" California and Cascadia--I am refraining from commenting on the Aridia zone because I have no idea how you explain that offshoot being separate from any of its anglophone neighbors. It sure looks nice that the Dine and other Native peoples get their own territory--though that could be some sort of godawful Bantustan situation. I just don't know what would give this region the combination of ability and will to stand aloof of both UAR and California; the former would seem the logical protector to check either CA or UT aggression.

Anyway I suppose you are probably not making the USSA into the sort of Oz-like functional worker's republic I like to believe is possible and good but then vice versa the amazing thing is that it does not implode.

And of course all this notion I have that these divisions already existed in 1941 might be a huge mistake, they could all be postwar splits, even the CSA might not be a continuous thing from 1860 but some Dixiecrat recreation from the 1950s or so.

What it all looks like is that the premise is, take away the USA and the world is doomed to fall to Soviet aggression.
 
1976 USA Election
Can we get the US president list?
Really curiously who screwed up so bad that made entire country balkanized like that.
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Are you relying on people going back and looking at the old TL, or is it just that you want to take a week or so to give old friends of the old version some teasers before systematically restarting a new version stand-alone?

Without looking at your Old version, it seems you started with a POD of "CSA survives" back in the 1860s, then butterfly netted the rest of the world until 1941. It is unclear to me whether the balkanized USA is something that happened not long after the 1860s, or whether the ATL USA kept together until some mid-20th century crisis, presumably some form of the Great Depression, shattered it.

Either way you mention that Poland was absorbed into the USSR "because the USA was not around to protest." That might not mean that no American powers were involved in WWII; if I presume the split up happened before 1939, it would be plausible to have all of the NE, USA, USSA, and CSA joining with Britain and the USSR, which helps me believe a defeat of the Axis is possible on a similar timetable to OTL with a similar odd couple Grand alliance of more or less satisfied liberal-capitalist powers and Leninist ones.

USSA might not of course be a Leninist type state, it might be a quite democratic and politically diverse socialist dominated worker's republic which might explain why it does not aggressively take control of the USA and New England and the prairie UAR--or if one is a strong disbeliever in the sustainability of socialist nations, in so attempting get their asses kicked and conquered in their turn, partitioned among the anti-Red victors. Actually as someone who certainly hopes a democratic socialist system can be superior to anything yet seen on Earth OTL I would think that even if in the 1939-'45 period the two northeast former USA regimes plus CSA could all agree to disagree with a scrupulously peace-keeping (though eager to support the Soviets) USSA, that with the USSA scrupulously remaining non-aggressive in the military sense, that the "threat of a good example" might prevail and insofar as any of the Atlantic coast USA successor nations remain actually democratic, or suspectible to democratic revolution, that the people there would tend to vote themselves into an economically viable USSA--and that a similar tendency to attract common people would draw in the UAR and thus eventually "subvert" California and Cascadia--I am refraining from commenting on the Aridia zone because I have no idea how you explain that offshoot being separate from any of its anglophone neighbors. It sure looks nice that the Dine and other Native peoples get their own territory--though that could be some sort of godawful Bantustan situation. I just don't know what would give this region the combination of ability and will to stand aloof of both UAR and California; the former would seem the logical protector to check either CA or UT aggression.

Anyway I suppose you are probably not making the USSA into the sort of Oz-like functional worker's republic I like to believe is possible and good but then vice versa the amazing thing is that it does not implode.

And of course all this notion I have that these divisions already existed in 1941 might be a huge mistake, they could all be postwar splits, even the CSA might not be a continuous thing from 1860 but some Dixiecrat recreation from the 1950s or so.

What it all looks like is that the premise is, take away the USA and the world is doomed to fall to Soviet aggression.
The PoD in this version is simple: The Chinese Communist Party is not as successful in the 30s. This causes a few butterflies to flap their wings, and an America embroiled in both a Vietnam and Chinese war.

I do admit that the post-US states are not the most predictable, but I have tried my best to make it at least viable with a few tornadoes in Texas.

The USSA definitely has a unique brand of American Socialism. During the Bloody Weeks (the period of time after the federal government imploded) the USSA had to fight itself on most borders, especially with the UAR and CSA. It's why St. Louis is part of the USSA, and only half of Minnesota belongs to the UAR. It had a very rough start, but eventually after the post Bloody Weeks status quo was established, relations began to not be as hostile. Currently, the USSA is open to reunifying with any Post-American state, as long as the government is Socialist. Think, politically, of the USSA as a more explicitly socialist DemSoc country like Denmark IOTL. It means more Co-ops, heavy restrictions and regulations on exploitation and ownership and a large and extensive Safety Net and Healthcare System, while still maintaining a semblance of a Free Market.

And this is an entirely new timeline- it is inspired by the old one, but nothing in that canon is transferable to this canon unless explicitly stated.
 
I'm interested in viewing the old version of this TL, can someone link it?
There are like 3 separate versions of the thread.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/soviet-victory-a-different-cold-war-timeline.429698




https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/soviet-victory-official-thread.472776/
 
I'm interested in viewing the old version of this TL, can someone link it?
There are like 3 separate versions of the thread.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/soviet-victory-a-different-cold-war-timeline.429698




https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/soviet-victory-official-thread.472776/

Be warned. They are
bad.
 

Stretch

Donor
Ah, I didn't realize that this was another reboot of Soviet Victory, but I'm happy to see that it is, if that makes sense
 
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