Rock albums from alternate timelines

Manic Street Preachers - You Do Not Do, You Do Not Do (1995)

release date: Oct. 1995
highest chart position: #4 (UK album charts)

Tracklist

Side 1:

The Girl Who Wanted To Be God
Marlon J.D.
This Joke Sport Severed
Kevin Carter
Removables
All Is Vanity

Side 2:

Elvis Impersonator: Blackpool Pier
Jackie Collins Existential Question Time
Small Black Flowers That Grow In The Sky
She Bathed Herself In A Bath Of Bleach
Facing Page: Top Left
Virginia State Epileptic Colony
Doors Slowly Closing


Singles:

The Girl Who Wanted To Be God (Sept. 1995 / UK single charts: #8)
Kevin Carter (Nov. 1995 / UK single charts: #9)
This Joke Sport Severed (Feb. 1996 / UK single charts: #22)
Elvis Impersonator: Blackpool Pier (May 1996 / UK single charts: #17)



Released amid the peak of Britpop - which helped it to achieve a Top 5 ranking in the album charts and spawn two Top 10 singles -, critical response to the Manics' fourth album was somewhat lukewarm. Most critics pointed out the album's "schizophrenic character", with Richey Edwards' ever darker lyrics often being in sharp contrast to the more uplifting music. Compared to its predecessor "The Holy Bible", their new release - titled after the Sylvia Plath poem "Daddy", the poet being a main inspiration for some lyrics - took a more mellow direction. The B-side was a bit less digestible and closer to Richey Edwards' original "Panthera meets Nine Inch Nails meets Screamadelica" idea. Those two different strands also caused rifts within the band and the choice of producers, which apparently led to a delay of the release (originally scheduled for the summer of 1995).
 
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More George Leaves Beatles:

1970:
Beatles (with Eric Clapton as lead guitarist) record new album, "Shine On," reviving some songs they worked on during filming of "Let It Be" and adding others. Released June 1970. A bigger hit than "Everest," but trails George's "Here Comes The Sun" in sales.

Side 1
Instant Karma! - 3:18
Maybe I'm Amazed - 3:50
After Midnight - 2:51
One After 909 - 2:54
Teddy Boy - 2:22
Dig a Pony - 3:55
Singalong Junk - 2:34


Two of Us - 3:37
That Would Be Something - 2:38
Every Night - 2:31
Let It Rain - 5:02
I've Got A Feeling - 3:38
Beaucoups Of Blues - 2:33
Junk 1:54


Singles:
Instant Karma! b/w Man We Was Lonely
Maybe I'm Amazed b/w Coochy Coochy
After Midnight b/w Mother
 
Pink Floyd - Childhood’s End (Feb. 1973)

SIDE 1
1. "Breathe" (Waters, Gilmour, Wright) 2:43
2. "Burning Bridges" (Wright, Waters, Gilmour) 3:29
3. "On the Run" (Gilmour, Waters) (instrumental) 3:30
4. "Time" (Mason, Waters, Wright, Gilmour) 6:53
5. "Us and Them" (Waters, Wright, Gilmour) 7:51

SIDE 2
6. "Childhood's End" (Gilmour) 4:31
7. "Any Colour You Like" (Gilmour, Mason, Wright) (instrumental) 3:24
8. "Brain Damage" (Waters) 3:50
9. "Eclipse" (Waters) 2:12
10. "Money" (Waters Gilmour) 6:30

A simple divergence — Barbet Schroeder looses funding for/interest in/etc in La Vallée, which leaves the Floyd bitter, but with a few new songs to add to their next album. The resulting LP, “Childhood’s End”, takes the place of OTL’s “Dark Side” in the heart of prog-rock fanatics everywhere.
 
More George Leaves Beatles:

George releases a second album in late 1970, "Isn't It A Pity," to further reflect on the breakup. It's filled with anger and sadness at the loss of his bandmates and his best friend, Eric Clapton. Unfortunately, that's not a formula for success. The album is much less well-received than "Here Comes The Sun," and sales are about half of the first album.

"All Things Must Pass" – 3:44
"I Me Mine" - 2:26
"Art of Dying" – 3:37
"Hear Me Lord" – 5:46
"I Don't Want To Do It" - 2:51 [1]
"Wah-Wah" – 5:35


"Beware of Darkness" – 3:48
"Run of the Mill" - 2:49
"For You Blue" - 2:32
"Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)" – 3:48
"Nowhere To Go" - 3:03 [2]
"Isn't It a Pity" – 7:10


Singles:
All Things Must Pass b/w I Me Mine
Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll) b/w Art Of Dying

[1] and [2] were demoed during OTL "All Things Must Pass," but were passed over. They are revived here.
 
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The Zombies - Argosy (May 1967)

Side one
1. "Care of Cell 44" (Rod Argent) 3:57
2. "That's My Story" (Tim Rice) 2:19
3. "Maybe After He's Gone" (Chris White) 2:34
4. "How Am I To Know" (Rice) 2:44
5. "Twice In Love Every Day" (Rice) 2:55
6. "She's Not There" (Argent) 2:25

Side two
1. "Man of the World" (Rice) 2:53
2. "Tell Her No" (Argent) 2:08
3 "Hung Up on a Dream" (Argent) 3:02
4. "If It Don't Work Out" (Argent) 2:48
5. "Friends of Mine" (White) 2:18
6. "Love Runs High" (Rice/Argent) 3:34


POD: The Zombies form with a different lead vocalist, Tim Rice. He attended St. Albans School during the same years as Rod Argent, can sing well enough, and is extremely talented at writing lyrics (yet collaborates well with others).

This probably leads to a much more successful career for the Zombies; but at the risk of butterflying away his theatrical works: no "Jesus Christ Superstar", "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat", etc. (unless he switches genres later in his career, like Danny Elfman did after Oingo Boingo).

(Rice aspired to be a rock singer in the early 60s, and recorded the single "That's My Story"; but it failed to chart so he turned his talents to musical theater instead. The other titles are swiped from his musical "The Likes of Us", written in 1965 but never performed until OTL 1993)
 
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OASIS-How Did You? (1999)
Released in between Be Here Now and SonTSOG in our timeline,this album consists music from both,and also countless B-Sides.
1.The Masterplan (B-side to Wonderwall)*
2.Gas Panic! (SonTSOG)
3.It's Getting Better (Man)! (Be Here Now)
4.Strange Thing (Live Demostration,1993)*
5.Street Fighting Man (B-Side to All Around the World)
6.Let's All Make Believe (B-side to Go Let It Out)*
7.Who Feels Love? (SonTSOG)
8.Fade In-Out (Be Here Now)
9.Stay Young (B-side to D'you Know What I Mean?)
10.The Fame (B-Side to All Around the World)
11.Better Man (Heathen Chemistry)*
12.Talk Tonight (B-side to Some Might Say)*

Knowing Britpop was on its way out,they wanted it to be a final goodbye to the genre,and also introduce themselves as a new band with Gas Panic and Who Feels Love?
Released on May 8,1999,it sold 286,000 copies in the first week in the UK and debuted at No.1.In the US,It sold 202,000 copies and also hit No.1,the 1st Oasis album to do so in the US.
Reception was positive,with MetaCritc rating it a 74%.Rolling Stone ranked it at No.8 on 1999's Best Albums list.

Singles:
The Masterplan hit No.1 in the UK for 3 weeks,and No.4 in the US.
Strange Thing hit No.9 in the UK and No. 57 in the US.
Lets All Make Believe hit No.1 in the UK for 4 weeks and hit No. 1 in the US for 6 weeks.
Better Man hit No. 5 in the UK and No.11 in the US.
Talk Tonight hit No. 4 in the UK and No.2 in the US.

Also,can someone please make an album cover for this?
 

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Gone Fishin'
Tea Set- OBSCURED BY CLOUDS (August 1971)

Roger Waters, David Bowie, Richard Wright, and Nick Mason, with guest artist David Gilmour.

SIDE 1
01-''Obscured by Clouds'' 5:33 (Waters, Gilmour)
02-''Fearless'' 5:41 (Gilmour, Waters, Bowie)
03-''Hunky Dory'' 2:09 (Bowie, Waters)
04-''San Tropez'' 3:39 (Waters)
05-''Life on Mars?'' 3:50 (Bowie, Wright)

SIDE 2
06-''The Son of Nothing'' 15:14 (Wright, Mason, Gilmour, Waters, Bowie)
07-''The Return of the Son of Nothing'' 6:33 (Waters, Bowie, Wright, Gilmour, Mason)


Obscured by Clouds is the fifth album by the Tea Set. Written as a reaction to For the Man Who Has Everything, and largely experimental, the album having been composed over the course of a years worth of experiments, be they in studio or on the road, or, in the case of The Son of Nothing, for movies. The album would also see collaborator David Gilmour bought on as a full time member of the Tea Set, a position from which he largely influenced the sound of the album. The album itself is primarily Progressive, with hints of Blues, Space, Avant-Garde Rock, and Art Rock, as well as a lean towards Symphonic rock, although became heavier in tone. Notably, the album contains large portions of Instrumental pieces, much of which were composed by Gilmour-Mason-Wright, and were highly crafted and intricate pieces that formed textured music. The Album would be a success, receiving a warm reception from Critic and Fans. Waters would announce the band would take a hiatus to focus on their next album, although did so by commencing a lengthy tour across Europe and America. The cover depicts a nearly naked Bowie leaning towards a crowd, albeit his image blurred and out of focus. In reflection, Nick Mason would consider Obscured by Clouds to be far stronger than Tea Set's next work, and what is seen as their magnum opus, Ziggy Stardust and the Dark Side of the Moon...

<-For The Man Who Has Everything-|-Ziggy Stardust and The Dark Side of the Moon->
 
Another one from my Velvet Underground timeline

The Velvet Underground - Rock'n'Roll Hearts (April 1976)

Side One
1 Charley's Girl (Reed)
2 Dirty Ass Rock'n'Roll (Cale)
3 Ooohhh Baby (Reed)
4 Darling I Need You (Cale)
5 Crazy Feeling (Reed)
6 She's my best friend (Reed)

Side Two
1 Guts (Cale)
2 Leave me alone (Reed)
3 Nowhere at all (Reed)
4 Engine (Cale)
5 Leaving it up to you (Cale)
6 Heartbreak Hotel (Durden/Axton/Presley)

After a strong comeback with the 'Fear' album, the Velvet Underground again found themselves split on their next direction - with Lou Reed wanting to pursue a romantic soft-rock approach while John Cale just wanted to shock pretty much everyone.

"Oh gees," recalled Doug Yule, "We were working up the next album of songs, and Cale played us this new song of his (Leaving it up to you) - just him on acoustic guitar.. and when he got to the lyric about Sharon Tait, we were thinking 'what's this?' and then he started screaming!"

"It was a good scream. A hearty scream, but I didn't want to scream for a whole album. I was getting sober, and wanted something a bit lighter - so we split it down the middle. I convinced him to do some stuff for my side, and he got me to turn it up for his, but I wasn't into it. 'Leave me alone' was just as much aimed at him as anyone else" - Lou Reed

"It's a compromise.. I'd been working with Patti Smith, checking out New York, London, Cleveland.. something was brewing and I wanted to get some of that energy in our music - but Lou had to be coerced. The others came round to it more quickly, but Lou.. man.. I had to give him a whole side for that lovey dovey stuff. I even had to fight to get the Elvis cover on it." - John Cale

After the album's release, the Velvet Underground embarked on their fateful "Take No Prisoners" tour, but that's the subject for another update...

Spotify playlist https://open.spotify.com/user/1231007472/playlist/1mmUlrCSSwLbwCXtaYvirN
 
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I have started a series with the question,"What if Be Here Now was successful instead of the crapload it is today?"

The How Did You post was the first album in the series.I will post another one later today.

Also,very interesting with Bowie in OTL's Pink Floyd,or Tea Set.
 
I was wondering if anyone here might have an idea as to what the Beatles would have done had they split in August/September 1968.

Why then? While the roots of the cancer that killed the Beatles date back to at least the death of Brian Epstein in August 1967-the summer of 1968 is when the band began to fall apart-it took awhile for them to finally split up. They managed to record four lps in that period. But the decline of band unity was evident almost from the moment the White Album sessions began.

August 1968 is the first time a member of the Beatles quit the band.

I've often wondered what would have happened had the band fallen apart at that point-the divergence being that someone else in the band follows Ringo's lead in short order-before Ringo returns in September.

What would the Beatles do with the material they had recorded to that point but not released?

Ringo's departure is probably too late to prevent the release of the Hey Jude/Revolution single-or at least it's too late for the former to become a McCartney song and the latter to become John Lennon's debut single. If I recall correctly Ringo quit on August 22 1968. Even if the next domino falls that same day-there's only a week until Hey Jude is released. However, under these circumstances I could see the Beatles deciding to forgo the no single on the album rule as they are now faced with constructing what will effectively be there final album.

At the time of Ringo's departure. s the Beatles will have recorded the following songs during the now failed Summer of 1968 sessions-not including the Ringo songs because I'm not sure whether Ringo would have let the Beatles keep "Don't Pass Me By" and "Good Night'' had his departure been final in August.

Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da
Blackbird
Rocky Raccoon
Yer Blues
Mother Nature's Son
Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My Monkey
Sexy Sadie
Cry Baby Cry
Revolution 9
Hey Jude
Revolution
Not Guilty (Though if Harrison's departure rather than Lennon's is what breaks up the band this presumably will not be available.)
What's the New Mary Jane (unreleased but available.)

Then there's the Yellow Submarine problem. The Beatles had debuted four to that point unreleased songs in the Yellow Submarine film in July. Deciding what to do with that material might be a problem-as the Beatles (or really at this point Paul McCartney more than anybody) will not want the final release to be what the Yellow Submarine album was historically-but the other option they considered-the EP won't work either if it's their final release. The songs used in Yellow Submarine might be considered for the 1968 album if for no other reason than to avoid the problem of the final release being too much of a whimper with which to conclude their career. The songs available from the film were

Only a Northern Song
Hey Bulldog
All Together Now
It's All Too Much

Finally the Beatles have yet to have released Across the Universe in any form. I know the song was slated for release on the charity album-but in an atmosphere where the Beatles are breaking up and George Martin and company are desperately trying to cobble together a good send off album I could see them putting Across the Universe on the record. After all-when they considered releasing an EP to support Yellow Submarine they put Across the Universe on it despite the earlier promise to hand the song over for the charity record.

Given the available material-if the Summer of 1968 sessions end in failure and the effective end of the band-and the Beatles decide to cobble together an album out of what material they have recorded to that point but not released-what would that album have looked like?
 
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At the time of Ringo's departure. s the Beatles will have recorded the following songs during the now failed Summer of 1968 sessions-not including the Ringo songs because I'm not sure whether Ringo would have let the Beatles keep "Don't Pass Me By" and "Good Night'' had his departure been final in August.

Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da
Blackbird
Rocky Raccoon
Yer Blues
Mother Nature's Son
Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My Monkey
Sexy Sadie
Cry Baby Cry
Revolution 9
Hey Jude
Revolution
Not Guilty (Though if Harrison's departure rather than Lennon's is what breaks up the band this presumably will not be available.)
What's the New Mary Jane (unreleased but available.)

With the exception of "Revolution 9" (which might be released as a Lennon/Ono collaboration solo single later on), all these songs pretty much fit into the back-to-basic sound approach favoured by both Lennon and McCartney at that time. So that could be lumped together as a proper album, with "Hey Jude/Revolution" possibly still being used as an extra single like in OTL.

As for the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack, why not release it as an EP like "Magical Mystery Tour", with "Yellow Submarine being added on the A-side? After that, and possibly after the Beatles split is officially announced, the last album - the rump version of OTL "The Beatles" - is released.
 
Very interesting POD.You may go on.
But why Ringo?

Ringo did quit the Beatles between late August and Early September 1968. It was the first time any of the four had announced they were leaving the band. I know it may seem odd that Ringo would be the first one to leave-given he was the one Beatle who always had a good relationship with everyone else-but that's what happened. My idea is that his departure sets off a domino effect that didn't happen. In between the time Ringo was out of the band and his historical return-someone else decides to quit as well-at which point the Beatles are effectively finished.

With the exception of "Revolution 9" (which might be released as a Lennon/Ono collaboration solo single later on), all these songs pretty much fit into the back-to-basic sound approach favoured by both Lennon and McCartney at that time. So that could be lumped together as a proper album, with "Hey Jude/Revolution" possibly still being used as an extra single like in OTL.

As for the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack, why not release it as an EP like "Magical Mystery Tour", with "Yellow Submarine being added on the A-side? After that, and possibly after the Beatles split is officially announced, the last album - the rump version of OTL "The Beatles" - is released.

Part of the problem is that there arguably wasn't enough material for a full album using White album material at that point if you exclude what Ringo and George had contributed. Even if you include the Hey Jude Revolution single-you're left with 11 songs which seems to have been one less than the minimum. Now granted it's possible that Ringo would let his contributions appear on the new album. He did return to the band fairly quickly historically. Or perhaps Paul McCartney would head to the studio and recorded a couple songs by himself for the new record to fill it out. Or perhaps the divergence can be after they record Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence without Ringo-but before Ringo returns to the band? If not I'm not sure how they fill out the full album. I suppose the question is when the split actually happens. The time frame I'm thinking of is between August 22nd 1968 and September 3rd 1968. That's not much time if Dear Prudence is going to be on the album-since recording on that song was finished on August 30th. Still-there's a few days in between those two dates when someone else could have quit before Ringo returned to the fold.

I could see them releasing an EP for Yellow Submarine-because they actually had a plan to do that after the oddity of an album they released was relatively poorly received. If I remember correctly they actually had a few copies of the proposed EP pressed-but I could be mistaken about that.The EP would have included Across the Universe. The track list was apparently as follows.

1. Only a Northern Song
2. Hey Bulldog
3. Across the Universe
4. All Together Now
5. It's All Too Much

So they could decide to do that earlier and release it sometime before the end of August or early September depending on how long that takes. I do wonder what the public perception of such a move might have been-since the Beatles hadn't released a full album since June 1967-and their last two releases were EPs with mixed reception.

I don't think there'd be any kind of official announcement of a split in 1968 for a whole host of complicated legal and financial reasons having to do with the complicated financial web they were stuck in at the time. I can see the split leading to an earlier effort to extricate themselves from the mess that was Apple-which means the Beatles have to keep their mouths shut about the band being done until all of that is cleared up-which won't be hard. The Beatles effectively split in September 1969-but their split didn't become a public event until April 1970.

What's interesting is what happens after the split. I don't think John Lennon would have wasted much time in recording his solo debut.He wrote a lot of material in India-and he would have had at least half an albums worth of material left over from the failed sessions and the songs the Beatles decided not to record. Ironically-these would have included the more pop oriented material he had written in 1968 which ordinarily would have been the better fit for a Beatles release.

George Harrison might have the same instinct or he could wait until he's written a few more songs.

With Paul McCartney the issue is his reaction to the Beatles split. He took the breakup pretty badly historically-so it might take him a while longer than you might expect for him to return to the studio. With that said, once he does return to the studio he has enough material to record a really strong debut album even if he records the whole thing by himself.

I think a 1968 split is a recipe for three really strong solo debuts by Lennon, McCartney and Harrison. There's also a larger chance for a reunion later on without the months and months of tension that followed August 1968 historically and of course there's no Klein vs. Eastman fight because there won't be a band for them to fight over.

Also the idea of the Beatles breaking up in 1968 really fits well with the historical/cultural narrative about that year.
 
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A personal favorite is a Beatles album after Revolver, released in late 1966 or early 1967. Standard practice at the time was two albums per year. The Beatles only released one album in 1966, and spent a whopping 10 months working on what would become Sgt. Pepper's, which was released in summer of 1967. I'd imagine this alternate album would be Sgt. Pepper's in spirit, but sound much closer to Revolver. The early takes come to mind.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=292117
 
Part of the problem is that there arguably wasn't enough material for a full album using White album material at that point if you exclude what Ringo and George had contributed. Even if you include the Hey Jude Revolution single-you're left with 11 songs which seems to have been one less than the minimum. Now granted it's possible that Ringo would let his contributions appear on the new album. He did return to the band fairly quickly historically. Or perhaps Paul McCartney would head to the studio and recorded a couple songs by himself for the new record to fill it out.

Given that Macca recorded "Why Don't We Do It In The Road" all by himself, that seems quite plausible. I could imagine him chucking out some more songs in a similar fashion, or just stepping in for Ringo as drummer - wasn't it also Macca who once jokingly said that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles?
 
Given that Macca recorded "Why Don't We Do It In The Road" all by himself, that seems quite plausible. I could imagine him chucking out some more songs in a similar fashion, or just stepping in for Ringo as drummer - wasn't it also Macca who once jokingly said that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles?

Paul McCartney recorded "Why Don't We Do It in the Road" with Ringo. He did record a few songs on the White Album more or less solo-much to the frustration of everyone else in the band. He's the only Beatle on "Blackbird" "Martha My Dear" and "Mother Nature's Son"

He also more or less took over drumming duties when Ringo quit the band. He did most of the drumming on Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence. Those were the two songs they recorded in his absence.

I don't doubt that he would have been able to record a few more songs if he wanted to. My issue is whether his instinct would have been to do nothing after the band splits because of the emotional impact of that.Considering that the Beatles had one more session after John Lennon quit the band to complete the Let it Be album-having Paul record a few more songs may make the most sense in terms of what would have happened. I wonder what songs he would have picked-given that this is the last Beatles album and the original White Album idea of recording more or less everything no longer fits. Honey Pie-for example is probably out-because George Martin did not think that was one of Paul's better contributions. Still-Paul being willing to head back to the studio after the band split would result in a overall better album.

And if I remember correctly-the quote about Ringo is attributed to John Lennon.
 
The Jackboots - Debauchery (August 1974)

SIDE ONE

Tricky Dick (John Lennon/Harry Nilsson) - 3:56
Don't Need to Change (Nilsson) - 3:17
Jump Into the Fire (Nilsson) - 6:52
No Tomorrow (Lennon) - 3:37
Do That Sugar (Lennon) - 2:40

SIDE TWO

Lies (Buddy Randell) - 2:38
Revolution at 9 / Brunch at 11 (Lennon) - 5:37
They Started It (Nilsson) - 4:25
See You (Lennon/Nilsson) - 2:32
Sweet Thing (Lennon) - 3:15
Downward Spiral (Nilsson) - 3:12


POD: "The Lost Weekend" never ends. John Lennon and Harry Nilsson form a protopunk band with Keith Moon
(later replaced by Ringo Starr, after Moon proves too unreliable even by Lennon and Nilsson's increasingly out-of-control standards).
 
If the "Lost Weekend" hadn't ended-by which I think we both mean the earlier half of Lennon's departure from Yoko prior to the recording of Walls and Bridges-there's a serious risk that John doesn't survive the 1970's.

Speaking of John Lennon during his departure from Yoko Ono-I wonder what would have happened had he placed two more covers on Walls and Bridges. Legally he was only mandated to record three Levy owned songs as I understand the Come Together lawsuit. He had agreed to record a full album of Levy owned material covers-but that was a verbal agreement and not something that he was legally required to do.

Had he recorded three cover songs on Walls and Bridges he would be in technical compliance with his settlement with Levy.

John not returning to Yoko has a lot of potential. In that scenario-a mid 1970's Beatles reunion is within the realm of possibility. He was already considering working with Paul again-and he was scheduled to contribute to Venus and Mars.

I can see that contribution growing into a more sustained collaboration between Lennon and McCartney-Wings or no Wings. As far as Wings was concerned the only thing that would block John and Paul working again would be if Linda was adamantly opposed-and she was all in favor of them working together again from what I can recall. This doesn't mean Wings would come to a halt-just that the band won't prevent a Lennon and McCartney project from happening.

Whether that means a Beatles reunion really depends on George Harrison. But I could see the public-and Lennon himself-seeing such a record as a Beatles reunion record even if George isn't on it.

Even if we're only talking about John contributing to Venus and Mars-that by itself could prove interesting. I wonder what he would contribute-and how he would work with the members of Wings at the time aside from Paul and Linda.
 
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