So I guess it would be realistic if the union forms as a confederation and not as one single united country
Rising of Darkness : What if The Ottoman Empire won the Balkan war
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Franz Ferdinand-Emperor of Austria
Franz Ferdinand-Emperor of Austria
Part II25th February 1914
The news spread like wildfire-The emperor of Austria is dead!This is the biggest event that has happened in this decade and,people,say that it will be the biggest event of the century.All newspapers covered it,even the ones in other countries covered it.Frranz Josef has ruled for 66 years and people still like him.The Empire earned a constitution,expanded the territories of the Empire and and with the Compromise he United the nation more .
However, there were many failures in the external policies of the empire-the dissolution of the austro-russian alliance and the defeat in the Italian war for independence and later the Treaty of Disorder was a serious failure in their policies because it was too harsh on the Balkan League
Not everything was fine inside the Empire as well-before the Compromise the Bohemians wanted the new ruler to become king of Bohemia as a sign of their autonomy.That didn't happen and the Compromise left the Czechs and their aristocracy without the recognition of Bohemian state rights.Because of this ,there were many public demonstrations.However, Franz Joseph remained immensely respected; the Emperor's patriarchal authority held the Empire together.
And now he is dead.Franz Josef was respected by almost everyone inside the empire,even the nationalists(from the nations inside of the Empire).Outside of the empire,however,he had gained many enemies.
The pan-slavists in Russia hate the Austrians and Franz Josef for invading the Balkans.They want to invade the Austrians and help the Slavic people.But first they wanted to turn Russia into a pan-slavic democracy.The Tsar doesn't want to support the Balkan nations and instead pursues his own interests.Peter Milyukov( leader of the pan-Slavic party)wants to rule democratically by getting seats in the State Duma and decrease the powers of the Tsar,but most of the people in the Party and the party's supporters think that is impossible.They think that making the Tsar abdicate through a revolution can actually happen and will be better for all slavs.This led to a split inside the Party between the ,,democrats'',led by Milyukov and the ,,revolutionaries'',led by Kerensky.The ,,revolutionaries" held many speeches saying that the Tsar is oppressing the people and that they should revolt and they created the newspaper,,Slavic Voice"
Other enemies of the emperor were the Balkan parties and the nationalist parties.
Grabež didn't die from the cyanide pill and was taken into custody after he was severely beaten by the crowd.After he was taken into custody he was tortured,so he can tell them who is he.A few days after that he told them about the Force of Salvation,along with the names of other people that were part of the assassination.He was sentenced to death by hanging.
Franz Ferdinand wasn't respected by anyone,Franz Joseph and Franz Ferdinand hated each other.He advocated granting greater autonomy to ethnic groups within the Empire and addressing their grievances, especially the Czechs in Bohemia and the south Slavic peoples in Croatia and Bosnia, who had been left out of the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 and after the death of Franz Joseph he can give more rights and autonomy to the other ethnic groups.
Revolts against the Force of Salvation started ,before they were put down by the military and after the interrogation the people saw that the National Party of Work has a part in the assassination and people wanted the Party to be banned.
But,while the Austrians try to fight hungarian nationalism and before Ferdinand officially become the emperor,Hungarians and Bohemians decided that this moment of chaos would be the best for a revolution.
The 1914 Revolution
The 1914 Revolution
He ended the speech,saying that he wants to include Austria in Germany,because they were excluded from German affairs ever since the Seven Weeks' war.Franz Joseph supported the same idea.However,the emperors' desire to retain the non-German territories of the Habsburg Austrian Empire in the event of German unification proved problematic.Two ideas formed-the idea of a greater Germany(Großdeutschland),which is the idea that the lands of Austria-Hungary have to be included into the German state.The supporters of Lesser Germany(Kleindeutschland)argued against the inclusion of Austria on the grounds that it was a multi-nation state, not a German one.
Franz Ferdinand wants to continue the friendly relations with the UK and abandon the alliance with Germany for one with the UK.In his first week as an emperor he went to London to meet the British king,George V.
While he was in London,riots for independence broke out in Budapest and various other places within Hungary,organized by the National Party of Work.The riots grew to an armed conflict when the military stated beating people from the rioting crowds and someone killed a soldier.
Many of the weapons which the Hungarians revolutionaries use are russian,because of the Russian pan-slavists,who supported everything that would cause instability in the empire(most of the weapons that are delivered are Mosin-Nagants,Nagant M1895 and PM M1910 or Maxim's machine gun).
In Bohemia the clashes between the bohemians and the Habsburg loyalists are still peaceful.
Austrians are afraid that this might be the end of Austria-Hungary.
I could see the spark of an entirely different war. France supports the pan-Slavists, while Germany supports the German nationalists. This could escalate into war, but I could see the British supporting Germany rather than France in order to prevent the Slavs from gaining to much power in Europe.
That's a good idea,but I think that Germany will try to do something in Austria first and probably the UK wilk help the Austrians.
Well that is what I am saying. Germany would support a full on military intervention into a civil war in Austria, trying to annex the German speaking parts, with the pan-Slavists wanting to keep as large of a Danubian Federation as possible. Russia would love to have a puppet against Germany, and France would be head over heals to support anything to get the AL back. But if Germany acts fast enough (Which, having the most powerful land army with the Royal Navy supporting it, it will be able to), they can have their cake and eat it too in this scenario.
What do you think about the Balkans-are they going to take part in the war?
Absolutely. Losing Austria loses them a very rich part of their country, though I can see them letting go because war against 2 world powers wouldn't go well, also the Ottomans wouldn't be happy.
The size of their armies was reduced to 20,000 for every country(Montenegro's army has been reduced to 5,000).
The Hungarian Kingdom
The Hungarian Kingdom
László Lukács was the prime minister of Hungary,while it was part of Austria-Hungary and now,right after the the start of the civil war,he became a minister regent(miniszter kormányzó)of the Hungarian Kingdom,because the National Party of Work won 91% of all seats(all other popular parties promoted independence and now when Hungary is independent,no one wants other parties)some of the other seats were won by romanian and slovak nationalist parties.The high popularity and support for the party helped them to get elected twice.Austria and Hungary had three common ministries-The foreign ministry,the ministry of war and the ministry of finance.These were called kaiserlich und königlich(Imperial and royal).These ministries were.concerned for the common aspects of the dual monarchy, i.e. the Foreign Policy, the Austro-Hungarian Army and the Navy. The Minister of the Imperial and Royal House and of Foreign Affairs was nominated by the Emperor; he was also chairman of the Ministers' Council for Common Affairs as governing body of the Austro-Hungarian real union.The hungarians had no real power over the foreign policy of the country,even when the minister was Hungarian(he was almost never Hungarian and the people thought this was unfair and this was one more reason for the revolution.Most of Hungarians believe that the Compromise didn't make the Austrians and the other part of the empire equal.
The emperor Franz Ferdinand and the foreign minister Count Leopold Berchtold aee in London to negotiate the Austrian-British alliance.The three common ministries still called k.u.k,because the Austrian empire doesn't recognize the Hungarian state.According to the Compromise executive powers were divided between the Emperor and King, the Minister of the Imperial and Royal House and of Foreign Affairs as chairman of the k. u. k. Ministers' Council for Common Affairs, and the Ministers-President of the Cisleithanian (Austrian) and Hungarian halves of the Empire,but because the minister and the emperor can't do anything from London,the Minister-President Karl von Stürgkh holds most of the power.He's nonpartisan,but became part of the Deutscher Nationalverband(German National Association).The Deutscher Nationalverband was a loose coalition of ethnic German national and liberal political parties in Cisleithania, a part of Austria-Hungary. It was formed to contest the 1911 election of the lower house of the Imperial Council (Reichsrat) of Cisleithania. Loose coalitions of this type were common in the Imperial Council.They won the election and ousted the previously dominant Christian Social Party.Gustav Gross(chairman of the Nationalverband)and von Stürgkh hated the Hungarians together with Franz Ferdinand who said that "The Hungarians are all rabble, regardless of whether they are minister or duke, cardinal or burgher, peasant, hussar, domestic servant, or revolutionary".However there is a big difference between the Nationalverband and the Emperor-He wants to give autonomy to everyone in the empire(including the Hungarians),so that he can re-establish the central government.The Nationalverband wants to weaken Hungary by detaching the largely Slavic-speaking kingdoms of Dalmatia and Galicia from Cisleithania.However,right nothing of these things matters right now,because of the revolution.The bad opinion of the Hungarians is getting more popular in Austria,due to the war.
Most of the riots in Bohemia aren't suppressed by the military,as they hope that they can get an ally against the Hungarians in the war.Most of the Bohemians,however have no reason to ally the Austrians.They want independence from the Empire.The pan-slavists want to use this and liberate the bohemian slavs from the Austrians.The best way to do this js to use members of the Czech National Social Party.Some of the members started going to the riots and when that happened,the Austrians had to suppress the riots.The leader of the party(Václav Jaroslav Klofáč) went to the Pan-Slavic congress in Petrograd.Many Russian weapons were sent to the Balkans and Hungary again.
Austria and Hungary are at war and Hungary has one very big problem-The German population in the country(Budapest has a very big German population.All of the Germans are on the Austrian side.In many places the people are fighting in the towns and and an internal conflict would be a very big obstacle for the new country and for the war.
A new king has to be chosen for the country.Since the National Party of Work has 91% of the seats they will chose the king(other parties will vote too,but they do not have enough power to do anything)
The choices are:
Mihály Cseszneky(his family isn't really popular and his father was an impoverished aristocrat(and an inventor),but he is 4 years old and the party can use him as a puppet
Mihály Károlyi(The Károlyi family were an illustrious, extremely wealthy, Roman Catholic aristocratic family who had played an important role in Hungarian life since the 17th century.)
Gyula Andrássy the Younger( The younger Andrássy became under-secretary in the Sándor Wekerle ministry in 1892; in 1893, he became Minister of Education, and, in June 1894, he was appointed minister in attendance on the king, retiring in 1895 with Wekerle.)
Bertalan Széchényi(He was born into a prominent noble family in Sopron on 24 October 1866)
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Secret Rearmament
Secret Rearmament
While the war was going in Austria-Hungary, the emperor and foreign minister went to London to discuss the British-Austrian alliance and relations.The Austrians Empire was falling and the threat of Bohemia joining the war on the Hungarian side is getting bigger every dayIn the first day of their visit they discussed the British position on the war.The Austrians expected that he will support them and he will keep the peace on the continent.The king,however,had no intention of supporting them,even when he invited them to London.The Hungarians are winning,because no one from the non-Austrian provinces wants to fight.Most people think that they do not get enough power inside the Empire.The new emperor wants to create a federation(All parts will have a viceroy,similarly to the Croatian ban),but apart from the nobility,no one wants this.They want to rule themselves.Bohemia is a very big part of the empire.They are not a kingdom like Hungary or Croatia,but are very different from the Germans.
In the Balkans,most of the problems inside the cointrues were resolved.Many volunteers have joined the Hungarian army(About 20,000 from all countries)and every day tthere mor people joining.These soldiers formed the Balkan Divisions.They were united by their hate of the Austrians-This strengthened the soldiers' morale.The war is going for a few weeks,but there aren't many changes in the frontlines.
Many people helped the Balkan countries-mainly Hungarians and pan-Salvists,but many people agreed that the treaty was too harsh on the Balkan nations.The Austrians wanted to do this to keep their influence in the Balkans,but they lost it.
The new governments in the Balkans started the secret rearmament with weapons from Hungary,US and many other European countries.
Local production was promoted by the government,which helped the economy of Balkan nations to grow.Many of the things that are produced are used in other countries
The Ottoman lands in the Balkans have more Europeans than Ottomans.This,however,isn't a problem for the Ottomans to keep a big part of their army in there.Nazım Pasha-Turkish Chief of Staff of the military of the Ottoman Empire during the Balkan War has been replaced withbEnver Pasha,the minister of War and the reason for that was that Nazım Pasha lost almost all the battles in the war. The position of a coomander of troops stationed in the Balkans was given to Mehmed Esad Pasha.After fighting in the war and he wanted to punish them for the war.The Grand Vizier Said Halim Pasha and the Sultan reestablished the Jizya(is a per capita yearly tax historically levied by Islamic states on certain non-Muslim subjects—dhimmis—permanently residing in Muslim lands under Islamic law),which was almost gone by the 20th century.This time,however,it is monthly tax.The people don't like this,but most of them aren't rebelling,because of fear.Sometimes Ottoman soldiers execute people in the towns,but they try to do it secretly from the other countries.
In Russia,nothing has changed,but the pan-slavist movement is becoming more popular in the Slavic parts of Austria-Hungary.There were many Marxist revolutionaries in Russia and many of them took part in the first revolution of 1905.The pan-slavists aren't Marxist and they don't want any revolutionaries.The pan-slavic party's ideology is social democracy,like the The Labour Group(Trudoviks)party,which wasn't one of the big parties anymore,as the leaders(Kerensky and Aladin) formed the pan-slavic party.
The Bohemian problem is growing,but they haven't joined the revolution yet.
