Richard of Normandy

Richard of Normanday (1054-1069/75) was William the Conqueror's second son, who died during a hunting accident in Sherwood Forest.

I have wondered what might have changed had he not died. Robert Cuthrose was of course given Normandy following their father's death, so would Richard be given England instead of William Rufus?

If so what sort of conflicts and intrigues could we see?
 
The very same than IOTL. Eventually, neither a Norman king of England or a Norman duke of Normandy were going to accept the division (which would be still likely to happen, would it be only to please Normandy's nobility).
 
Okay, so instead of it being Robert vs William and Henry, it would be Robert vs Richard and their remaining three brothers
 
Richard of Normanday (1054-1069/75) was William the Conqueror's second son, who died during a hunting accident in Sherwood Forest.

"hunting accident"

The fact that two brothers, Richard and William, died in roughly the same way, in the same forest, about 20 years apart, and with the same people on their hunting trip......:confused::rolleyes:
 
Ahaha, cheeky.

And just think, its all for Henry to gain the throne in 1100. :D

We do not really know a lot about Richard, TBH, but we at least know that Robert was competent, but that he was more brawn than brain and he was outsmarted by Henry consistently. (of course that could be the propaganda talking).
 
Hunting accidents and coincidences do happen : it's quite interesting that nobody really went the conspirational way at this time, up to modern genius discovering that "OMG that can't be anything but an assassination".
 
Hunting accidents and coincidences do happen : it's quite interesting that nobody really went the conspirational way at this time, up to modern genius discovering that "OMG that can't be anything but an assassination".

Would not surprise me if Richard was an accident, but Williams is more suspicious
 
Would not surprise me if Richard was an accident, but Williams is more suspicious

Then again, it's only based on "my beard tell me so" and not on contemporary sources that in their crushing majority doesn't go this way (at the exception of William Somerset, but he's kind alone in there). I'm not going to say it's the "truthism" of high Middle-Ages, but again, that's mostly "guts feeling".
 
"hunting accident"

The fact that two brothers, Richard and William, died in roughly the same way, in the same forest, about 20 years apart, and with the same people on their hunting trip......:confused::rolleyes:

Robert Curthose also had a bastard die in there, so it was a very dangerous forest.
 

TinyTartar

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Hunting accidents and coincidences do happen : it's quite interesting that nobody really went the conspirational way at this time, up to modern genius discovering that "OMG that can't be anything but an assassination".

It is the Game of Thrones effect. Basically, nobody takes these things at face value anymore knowing that there was a lot more to Robert being slain by a boar, and how Samwell Tarly was given the choice of experiencing a "hunting accident" or going to the wall. There is no such thing as a hunting accident anymore. The fact that Dick Cheney accidentally shot someone, because it is Cheney, makes everyone think it was intentional.

The inner tinfoiler in all of us comes out when we hear the words hunting accident used.
 
It is the Game of Thrones effect. Basically, nobody takes these things at face value anymore knowing that there was a lot more to Robert being slain by a boar, and how Samwell Tarly was given the choice of experiencing a "hunting accident" or going to the wall. There is no such thing as a hunting accident anymore. The fact that Dick Cheney accidentally shot someone, because it is Cheney, makes everyone think it was intentional.

The inner tinfoiler in all of us comes out when we hear the words hunting accident used.

And it's not even just Game of Thrones. I've associated "hunting accident" with assassination since I was like five, and played the first level of the Attila campaign in Age of Empires II, and the phrase gets dropped as a euphemism for assassination in all sorts of historical drama and fantasy. "Hunting accident" has become inexorably linked with assassination in popular culture.
 

TinyTartar

Banned
Wait,so the Hunting Accident events in EU are implying that your heir got murdered?

Not sure, but I know that in CK 2, hunting accidents are plot resolutions for murdering children frequently. Arranging for them to be taken into the woods and killed is one of the easiest ways of killing children.

I'm guessing that seeing as EU is also a Paradox game, the principle stands.
 
This is something you cannot give a complete answer as we only have written accounts. So it is based on what you trust and what is the simplest answer.

That said, you cannot use modern popular culture as evidence of assasination or anything historical. Popular culture has frequently been wrong.
 
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