Richard of Gloucester has and older legitimate son

Hmm very true, so then he'd be an attractive option for anyone pissed at Richard III. This does also mean that the Lancastrian nobility is likely to remain in tact for a time
On the other hand,I have read a timeline where because Edward of Westminster survived,he ended up inheriting some of the land from Margaret of Anjou's father and made him semi-important enough to marry someone important.This might be something you want to explore.
 
On the other hand,I have read a timeline where because Edward of Westminster survived,he ended up inheriting some of the land from Margaret of Anjou's father and made him semi-important enough to marry someone important.This might be something you want to explore.

Oh interesting, do you remember what pieces of land he inherited? If he somehow through luck became Duke of Anjou now that would be something
 
Oh interesting, do you remember what pieces of land he inherited? If he somehow through luck became Duke of Anjou now that would be something
In that timeline,he ended up getting Anjou and Provence,and ended up becoming King....of the Kingdom of Naples.
 
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In that timeline,he ended up getting Anjou and Provence,and ended up making an Angevin Empire 3.0 by conquering Naples.

Oh very interesting.

If by say 1483/85, he was Duke of Anjou, might that make him an attractive marriage prospect abroad, perhaps bringing more foreign support?
 
Most certainly he would be a much more marriageable option.

Hmm interesting, seeing as his aunt had a son who later became Duke of Lorraine, would it be the case that his male cousins would all need to die before he became Duke of Anjou?
 
Hmm interesting, seeing as his aunt had a son who later became Duke of Lorraine, would it be the case that his male cousins would all need to die before he became Duke of Anjou?
In that timeline,I can't remember the details,he either managed to outmaneuver his cousin in Anjou and Provence or somehow the lands got gavelkinded to Margaret of Anjou.
 
In that timeline,I can't remember the details,he either managed to outmaneuver his cousin in Anjou and Provence or somehow the lands got gavelkinded to Margaret of Anjou.

Okay interesting.

Hmm, so if there is no Tewkesbury and no Barnet, that does mean the Lancastrian nobility within England will still be around and kicking, probably waiting and watching the York brothers tear themselves apart.
 
Okay interesting.

Hmm, so if there is no Tewkesbury and no Barnet, that does mean the Lancastrian nobility within England will still be around and kicking, probably waiting and watching the York brothers tear themselves apart.
Probably.
 
So how's this sound for the basics:

After hearing rumours of the Earl of Warwick looking to side with the Lancastrians, Edward IV decides to use the man's daughter Anne as a hostage against him and also play on his brother Richard's feelings for the girl. In doing so he agrees to his brother's marriage to the Neville girl, a marriage which takes place in October, 1469, with Warwick, Warwick's brother Earl of Northumberland and Clarence in attendance, though Clarence is there only reluctantly. The marriage takes place without a hitch, though afterwards, things begin to boil, as Warwick retires to his estates, and listening to his wife's advice, Edward begins considering giving over Northumberland to the Percy family once more. Eventually, Edward grants Henry Percy his family's old title, and gives John Neville, the title Marquess of Montagu, though the new title comes with far less rich land. Things between Warwick and Edward continue to grow cold, though the birth of a son to Richard and Anne in July, 1470 goes someway to pleasing Warwick and Edward, though it creates fears for Clarence who continues to worry about being cheated out of his wife's inheritance. Warwick, sensing that his son in law is growing fearful, decides to pray on these fears and begins muttering treason in his son in law's ears, telling him how Edward means to cheat him out of his inheritance, and how the only way to sustain it is through action. Meanwhile, Edward's wife continues to see threats where they might not actually lie, and begins pestering her husband about reducing Neville influence everywhere.
 
Okay interesting.

Hmm, so if there is no Tewkesbury and no Barnet, that does mean the Lancastrian nobility within England will still be around and kicking, probably waiting and watching the York brothers tear themselves apart.

Well the Beauforts (Edmund Duke of Somerset and John Marquess of Dorset) would likely remain in France with Edward of Westminster and Margaret of Anjou. Considering the bad blood between their family and the House of York, and the fact that Edward IV's attempt to reconcile with their elder brother Henry failed (ending with Henry's capture and death at Hexham), I'm not sure how they'd get back into an England ruled by Edward IV.

John Courtenay Earl of Devon was also in French exile.

Oxford is around (IOTL he joined with Warwick and Clarence in 1469, then fled to France later). Without the readeption he might remain in England, or at least not end up imprisoned.

The Tudors had been in Wales prior to the readeption, though I'm not sure if their presence there is tenable long-term (the firmly Yorkist Herbert's would likely want to get rid of Jasper, who was their rival for the Earldom of Pembroke).

I'm not sure about Exeter.

The Percies may maintain Lancastrian sympathies, regardless of getting restored to the Earldom.

Buckingham's family was Lancastrian, but he seems to be utterly self-serving, though in any case he hates the Woodvilles.
 
Hmm all interesting points, so essentially, there are grounds perhaps for a rebellion against the Woodvilles if not the King himself in the years before Edward IV's otl death
 
So how likely might it be that instead of the Lancastria readeption, there are smaller revolts against Woodville power?
 
Also, do you think an earlier marriage would increase the chances of Anne Neville having more children or fewer?
 
Very true.

Also, seeing as that this point, Warwick was not officially attainted and still held Middleham, where would Richard and Anne reside?

Depends on their capacity - I'm sure there are enough royal palaces in London that the spare to the spare can be shoved into. In the North, IDK
 
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