Richard II dies a natural death in 1399

So, a query to all of you, had Richard II died a natural death, or been killed in action in Ireland in 1399, what would've happened? Would Bolingbroke have been named his successor and invited to take the throne, or would the Mortimer faction have demanded that their claimant be made King?
 
Bolingbroke had already raised his banners while Richard was in Ireland so I see no reason why this would change if Richard dies.
Mortimer's faction wasn't really strong enough to resist and Sir Edmund Mortimer, uncle of Edward Mortimer was a strong ally of Bolingbroke.
 
Bolingbroke had already raised his banners while Richard was in Ireland so I see no reason why this would change if Richard dies.
Mortimer's faction wasn't really strong enough to resist and Sir Edmund Mortimer, uncle of Edward Mortimer was a strong ally of Bolingbroke.

Alright interesting, so Bolingbroke becomes King Henry IV without the struggle against Richard, thus potentially lessening the struggles that he faced initially in his reign? Perhaps to smoothe things over, he could marry his eldest son and heir the Prince of Wales to Anne de Mortimer?
 
Would have butterflied away the unsurper title that Henry IV got stuck with after his coronation. Less wars with everyone. Hell, Henry would probably be happier that way as well.
 
Would have butterflied away the unsurper title that Henry IV got stuck with after his coronation. Less wars with everyone. Hell, Henry would probably be happier that way as well.

Oh definitely though I suspect Glwyndr would still be an issue? Perhaps without the issue of the Percies though.
 
Wales is gonna do what Wales does. The whole Percy issue will perhaps be butterflied and that was rather long and troublesome.
 
Wales is gonna do what Wales does. The whole Percy issue will perhaps be butterflied and that was rather long and troublesome.

Oh aye, on the marriage issue for Henry V, would Henry IV, now that he assumed the throne naturally instead of through usurpation, consider tying two bloodlines together through marrying his son to Anne Mortimer, otl mother of Richard, 3rd Duke of York?
 
Alright interesting, so Bolingbroke becomes King Henry IV without the struggle against Richard, thus potentially lessening the struggles that he faced initially in his reign? Perhaps to smoothe things over, he could marry his eldest son and heir the Prince of Wales to Anne de Mortimer?
Such a marriage wouldn't be necessary then as he wouldn't be seen fully as a usurper.

Would have butterflied away the unsurper title that Henry IV got stuck with after his coronation. Less wars with everyone. Hell, Henry would probably be happier that way as well.

Oh definitely though I suspect Glwyndr would still be an issue? Perhaps without the issue of the Percies though.
I think the whole order of rebellion with Glyndwr and Percy and the Mortimers would be altered.
If Sir Edmund isn't captured by Glyndwr then Henry doesn't suspect him of rebellion etc etcetera.

One could even reasonably come up with a combination of rebellions culminating in Monmouth marrying Ann de Mortimer and overthrowing his father!
 
Potential brides for Henry V other than Anne Mortimer and Catherine of Valois?

Would James I of Scotland still end up in english captivity in this scenario?
 
Such a marriage wouldn't be necessary then as he wouldn't be seen fully as a usurper.




I think the whole order of rebellion with Glyndwr and Percy and the Mortimers would be altered.
If Sir Edmund isn't captured by Glyndwr then Henry doesn't suspect him of rebellion etc etcetera.

One could even reasonably come up with a combination of rebellions culminating in Monmouth marrying Ann de Mortimer and overthrowing his father!

This is true and seeing Harry of Monmouth overthrow his father would be quite interesting aha, though would that not also risk someone doing the same to him? Also, if he avoids marrying de Mortimer, who might be considered a realsitic prospect for him?
 
Potential brides for Henry V other than Anne Mortimer and Catherine of Valois?

Would James I of Scotland still end up in english captivity in this scenario?

I imagine he would yes, I'm not sure Robert III could out manoeuvre the Duke of Albany
 
I like that, that means that they could secure the Lancastrian succession, thus avoiding some of the complexities that arose when Henry V died otl and his brothers failed to have issue
 
Also slight tangent here, whatnwould thw reaction have been had Richard II died in 1389? Would John of gaunt been an unpopular king?
 
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