Richard I, King of England and France?

Thanks! The Kingdoms won't technically be unified until Richard passes them on to his son. He's currently both King of England and King of France, but his successor will be King of England and France (much like the unification of the Kingdoms of Castile and Leon in OTL, or the later unification of Castile and Aragon). And yes, France will most likely end up as the dominant section of the Kingdom, especially if Richard decides to move the capital to Normandy, as I think he may.

I see. Isn't that basically a simplified version of what happened in Britain in 1707?
 
I see. Isn't that basically a simplified version of what happened in Britain in 1707?

Pretty much. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes political maneuvering and such that I'm sort of glossing over; partly because it's somewhat complicated, and partly because Richard (our current focus character) isn't particularly interested in it.
 
Pretty much. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes political maneuvering and such that I'm sort of glossing over; partly because it's somewhat complicated, and partly because Richard (our current focus character) isn't particularly interested in it.

I see. Well, given his character (he didn't really care what happened in his kingdoms, so long as they stayed loyal and brought in money for his crusading adventures), this seems reasonable.
 

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It's starting to look like Richard's son won't be Richard II King of England & France. His Imperial Majesty Emperor Richard I of The Angevin Empire seems more fitting.

Great timeline.
 

EricM

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Given the POD, is William Longchamp still alive in the 13th Century? I know he died in 1197 in Poitiers, but does anyone know how?
 
Actually, the Imperial succession went considerably more smoothly than in OTL. Instead of a Philip of Swabia backed by France, and an Otto IV backed by England, it ends up being an Otto IV backed up by both England and France. Plus the Pope.

Point. I just meant that we did have Barbarossa and his son, so this just avoids Frederick the Stupendous.

What is happening in that regard? I mean, is Otto going to claim overlordship over Sicily (the way past emperors tried)?
 
Sorry, my memory was faulty. In OTL Otto IV tried to integrate Sicily into the HRE and that lead to his excommunication by the pope.

Ah. Wonder if it'll be the same here.

Otto seems to be in a better position to treat the pope the way the emperors wanted to than he was OTL (which may not be good enough, see Frederick II OTL, but...).
 
Firstly, welcome your excellency. When did Chalion get the internet?:)




Meanwhile, Berengaria back in London is expecting a child. Richard is engrossed in his war plans and decides not to return north for the child's birth, accentuating the fact that he is largely estranged from his bride. The birth does not go well. The child (a girl, christened Edolie) is born on December 5th, but the Queen dies a few days later. Sadly, her death goes largely unmourned by both the husband she hardly knew, and the kingdom that hardly knew her.
??Where on earth did "Edolie" come from? I've never seen it before, and googling it, the only hits I saw for it as a personal name were basically baby name sites, and those are notoriously bad.


Edit: Good start to the TL, minor quibbles aside.
 
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Firstly, welcome your excellency. When did Chalion get the internet?:)

Roughly the same time as the Darthacans did. The Roknari are struggling to catch up, I'm afraid. :p

??Where on earth did "Edolie" come from? I've never seen it before, and googling it, the only hits I saw for it as a personal name were basically baby name sites, and those are notoriously bad.


Edit: Good start to the TL, minor quibbles aside.

Yeah, baby name sites. :eek: I was looking for something with an old English feel, but that wasn't a common name today. Since she's unlikely to do much of interest other than get married, I'll probably leave it, but perhaps I should stick to Eleanors and Joans for future Plantagenet daughters...
 
Just read what's up so far. I like it - think its really good.

The baby name would have been my only quibble to.

You've got the county of Toulouse rebelling again, are they rebelling in the name of someone e.g. Louis, or just that they want to be a seperate country. Whats there particular reason?
 
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