Revival of Roman Empire as a a result of WW1 OR WW2

Um, no-one?

You could get the Italians to propagandise the Oman legacy, but they did that anyway. Is that what you mean? Or somebody capturing all the ex-Roman territories? That's essentially impossible.
 
Seeing that Mussolini was planning on recreating the Roman Empire, it might be plausible for it to be proclaimed in an Axis-victory scenario. But i'm not sure if that's what you're looking for.
 
Perhaps merging italy with Vichy France will do that.

Also Nationalist Spaom, all the Balkan minors, Turkey the entire middle-east and NA and a chunk of Persia. just can't see anyone actually controlling all that by the 1900's.

IF theAxis win you could probably get Mussolini proclaiming the New Roman EMpire and Deposing the King though.
 
This is a weird one....


Anyway, to throw my $0.02 in....

As a far out idea, if Italy had honoured its Triple Alliance treaty with Austria-Hungary and Germany and they won the Great War, it could happen that the 2 Germanic Emperors "allow" the Italian King to be upgraded to Emperor status. That way, they can form the Three Emperor's club. And at the same time, nudge the Italians towards North Africa (perhaps award French and English colonies) to prevent any potential clashes between Austria-Hungary and Italy over the Balkans.

Another possible way to achieve a new Roman Empire is indeed a victorious Italy in WWII annexing/colonizing a few African colonies and dominating the Mediterranean. After all, that was Mussolini's dream....
 
Another possible way to achieve a new Roman Empire is indeed a victorious Italy in WWII annexing/colonizing a few African colonies and dominating the Mediterranean. After all, that was Mussolini's dream....

Originally Posted by mimeyo
Perhaps merging italy with Vichy France will do that.

Now, if we combine these two, we'll have an almost perfect Roman Empire.

Maybe, if the Italians conquered (territories in) Spain during the Civil War... Oh no, that'll probably be too ASB. :eek:
 
What about the Greeks?

What about the ERE? There was and possibly still is a small minority Greece that believes in that nation's rights to Turkey and Istanbul. (the modern movement is evidenced by FYROM, Former Yugoslava Republic of Macedonia, the name Greeks insist on for Macedonia because the Greeks still claim is as National Territory) I know that post-WW1 there was a conservative movement among the intelligensia that agitated for a take over of the old Byzantine Empire. This directly lead to the military coups of the 20s. I suspect this wouldn't happen due to Demographics but increased successes in the Balkan wars pre-WW1 would make this a possibilty as Greece would have larger territories, access to more manpower and possibly treasure.

I think you have a better chance with Greece and Versailles than you do with Italy. I think geo-politics during the Great War are against Italy honoring their agreements, and WW2 well I don't know enough about Il Duce to comment but I don't think he would have been capable of controlling France in an Axis Victory TL, and think the same is true for Algeria and North Africa.
 
If Italy joins with the CP in WWI and that leads to CP victory Italy could get Savoy, Corsica and Tunisia from France and maybe Malta, Gibraltar from Britain. During the Spanish Civil War the could sieze the Ballaerics.
 
If Italy joins with the CP in WWI and that leads to CP victory Italy could get Savoy, Corsica and Tunisia from France and maybe Malta, Gibraltar from Britain. During the Spanish Civil War they could sieze the Ballaerics.
how could they unite with romania,france and spain?
 

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Axis victory and Italy gets French, British North Africa, and Middle-eastern territories, also occupies Greece, Macedonia and parts of Yugoslavia, declares Roman Empire "restored"

In reality though a German victory in WWI is actually not that far away from Germany been a new Rome.
 
Axis victory and Italy gets French, British North Africa, and Middle-eastern territories, also occupies Greece, Macedonia and parts of Yugoslavia, declares Roman Empire "restored"

In reality though a German victory in WWI is actually not that far away from Germany been a new Rome.

You might be on to something there....

A barbarous empire which brutally enslaves or kills off its neighbours...check
A severely debased and perverted citizenry....check
A leader worshipped like some kind of God....check
Bombastic architecture.....check
An eagle as their symbol of choice.....check
A praetorian guard in the shape of the Waffen SS....check


My god, the Third Reich was the reborn Roman Empire....:eek:
 

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That is not a new idea by any stretch too, Spengler was making this comparison during WWI, he expected Germany to win and then decay like Rome. The idea of Rome isn't so much holding the same territory as Rome did but that of a power with clear dominance over Europe and possibly the near east.
 
The central problem with a territorial "New Rome" (as opposed to one existing in Mussolini's rhetoric or historian's comparisons, which are perfectly plausible and indeed already exist) is the moving of centres of power. Brittania was a backwater in Roman Times; by WW1, its one of the industrial motors of the world. In terms of population, industry, and the development of the state, power had not only moved north but become a lot more widely and evenly spread. The establishment of a hegemonic empire over so vast an area was no longer feasible. The nearest anyone came was the Nazis, and they of course overstretched themselves and fell apart.
 

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The central problem with a territorial "New Rome" (as opposed to one existing in Mussolini's rhetoric or historian's comparisons, which are perfectly plausible and indeed already exist) is the moving of centres of power. Brittania was a backwater in Roman Times; by WW1, its one of the industrial motors of the world. In terms of population, industry, and the development of the state, power had not only moved north but become a lot more widely and evenly spread. The establishment of a hegemonic empire over so vast an area was no longer feasible. The nearest anyone came was the Nazis, and they of course overstretched themselves and fell apart.

Ditto. If you really want a restored Rome, you need a POD which relocates the Industrial Revolution and possibly the Enlightenment to the Mediterranean basin. The region's relative poverty of resources needed for an industrial revolution is an obstacle.
 
What country would likely do it if they won?
In modern times the only possibility is a Napoleonic (I ) Empire that become "West Roman Empire"; but this is in XIX century.
In XX century i don't see possibility.
Mussolini was a clown,
Nazi were for a German,nordic, Empire.
 
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