I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
Ok, well alright. Aside from the obvious air of superiority seemingly spewing out of this post, it would only cost the church more problems. The Latin service pushed people away, most people can't stay awake in their native tongue try listening in Latin.
Second the attempts at reconciliation between the eastern and western churches could be one of the greatest achievements of the upcoming few decades.
Third, If there actually is "Salvation"Then wouldn't it be for those who are kind good hearted people and not necessarily for those who are born to parents of the catholic faith or are born in geographical areas in which there are large amounts of catholics.
Fourth, you are misunderstanding the idea of Papal Infallibility and wouldn't the acknowledgment that the previous pope was wrong be an attack on the very idea of it. It would cause an uproar in the church establishment.
I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
As said before, infallibility does not work that way. And technically, most of the bad stuff folks associate with Vatican II was not even part of said Council - it was the work of Bugnini and his ilk...
BTW, I don't think "reversal" of Vat II is the appropiate term... the more accurate one, in my opinion, would be more, a "reform of the reform". And yes, I am a Traditionalist.
Guys like you are one of the reason I'm happy to no longer be a Catholic. Will you just listen to yourselves? Vatican II was the best thing that happened to the Catholic Church in 200 years.I think we need Vatican III in order to reverse Vatican II... Papal infallibility isnt sufficient enough...
Ah, I'd misunderstood his post. Okay then. That still leaves Polish Eagle and Francisco Cojuanco. I incidentally remember the latter being on record as an advocate of revoking the right to divorce.Hendryk- I don't think Don_Giorgio means what you think he means. AFAIK he's Orthodox not Catholic, so I think he wasn't saying "we need to reverse Vatican II" but "Papal Infallibility is insufficient to do so were we to want to".
Guys like you are one of the reason I'm happy to no longer be a Catholic. Will you just listen to yourselves? Vatican II was the best thing that happened to the Catholic Church in 200 years.
Let's make a list. Vatican II admitted that religious freedom is preferable to religious coercion (Dignitatis Humanae). Yeah, I see why you find that shocking
There was also that shameful declaration that the Jews weren't supposed to be accused of killing Jesus after all (Nostra Aetate).
Oh, yeah, let's not forget that heretical declaration that human rights are a good thing, and that democracy is on second thought a good system (Gaudium et Spes).
Indeed, I see why you guys want to go back to the pre-Vatican II situation.
It comes down to the fact that the Catholic Church thinks marriage (or sacramental marriage, anyway) is more than a mere contract...Anyway, if a marriage is freely entered into why have a right to divorce? People can't get out of contracts without the consent of the other party- why marriages?
I don't like Vatican II's changes. Interfaith Dialogue, don't have to be a Christian to be saved, no Latin, etc. WI Benedict XVI uses Papal Infallibility to reverse the changes upon becoming Pope?
Well in a way Pope Benedict has partially reversed the liturgical reforms.
Anyway, if a marriage is freely entered into why have a right to divorce? People can't get out of contracts without the consent of the other party- why marriages?
By any remote chance did you ever read the cover letter Pope Benedict sent along with Summorum Pontificum? You know the part where he says:
"In the first place, there is the fear that the document detracts from the authority of the Second Vatican Council, one of whose essential decisions – the liturgical reform – is being called into question.
This fear is unfounded."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/b..._ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi_en.html