Reverse Italian and German unifications

Tocomocho

Is this possible?

Germany as an uber-Prussia, with the King of Prussia as King of Germany and the rest of German royal houses outlawed andtheir domains annexed. This can include Austria or not.

Italy, on the other hand, unifies through a series of confederations and ultimately the King of Sardinia-Piedmont becomes the Emperor of the Italians, and the kings/dukes/counts of Naples, Tuscany, etc, become his vassals but remains (at least in name) in their thrones.

Possible effects in later History? Extra points if France supports the growing of Prussia and loses a war against the "(North) Italian Confederation".
 

MerryPrankster

Hmm...in 1848, might the Prussian Emperor decide that "the crown from the gutter" isn't such a bad thing after all?

IIRC the princes were winning at that point, so unifying Germany would require wars with the princes and that could lead to them all being dispossessed and exiled.
 

Max Sinister

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Difficult. In Italy, the house of Sardinia was the only genuine Italian one, all other monarchies had foreign dynasties. This wasn't the case in Germany (on the contrary, Germany seemed to export its princes to about any nation in the world, except France maybe).
 

arctic warrior

Max Sinister said:
Difficult. In Italy, the house of Sardinia was the only genuine Italian one, all other monarchies had foreign dynasties. This wasn't the case in Germany (on the contrary, Germany seemed to export its princes to about any nation in the world, except France maybe).
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So something like having Danish and Swedish princes all over northern Germany, Dutch in the northwest, French in the west, Italian and Croatians in the south and Polish, Bohemian, Magyar etc. in the east. Some change of German history.:eek:
And that might perhaps then make for Italy being made up of native dynasties.;)
 

Redbeard

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arctic warrior said:
So something like having Danish and Swedish princes all over northern Germany, Dutch in the northwest, French in the west, Italian and Croatians in the south and Polish, Bohemian, Magyar etc. in the east. Some change of German history.:eek:
And that might perhaps then make for Italy being made up of native dynasties.;)
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Good idea!

Lets see - Napoleon winns Leipzig in 1813 and his supremacy over Germany is accepted - the allies having expended their last armies.

Next Napoleon put even more friends and family on German thrones, and those German remaining only do so becauise they have undoubted loyalty towards the French.

That of course doesn't stop German nationalism, on the contrary it fuels it. In a bloody liberation war in second half of 19th century the Pan German nationalists utilise French internal strides and eventually win and their commander, General Moltke, announces himself Emperor of all Germans. Remaining princes of the various German states are seen as traitors to the German people and either killed or exiled.

In Italy Garibaldi finds a nice girl early on and never really catch interest in politics, but after having won a war against the Napolitanians and their allies in 1867 (when Austria is fully occupied in Hungary) the House of Savoy finally lead an Italian coalition in a succesful war against Austria in 1870, the climax of which is announcing the Savoy King of Piemonte and Sardinia as Emperor of Italy at Schönbrunn Palace in Vienna in 1871.

Regards

Steffen Redbeard
 
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