Reverse Cold War-An Orignal, Non-cliched Timeline

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This is a timeline where a POD during the Napoleonic Wars causes a Cold War in the 20th Century between a democratic Russia and a communist America. I tried to be original, so here it is(so far):

In 1775, the American Revolution began. It was the first major rebellion against a major European Empire as well as the first revolution dedicated to the spread of democracy and republicanism in nearly a hundred years. Shortly after the Kingdom of Great Britain recognized the independence of the new United States of America and proving that a republic was indeed possible, the French had their own revolution, in which the monarchy was overthrown, and the French First Republic was established. Though democracy in Europe did not spread for another hundred years or so, what if it had?

In 1812, Russia was allied with Napoleonic France during the Napoleonic Wars. However, in July, the French, wary of Russia’s ambition and believing in an eventual Russian conquest of Poland, decided to strike first, beginning the French invasion of Russia. After the French victory at the battle of Borodino, the Russian people, tired of oppression and losing and inspired by the recent republican revolutions of America and France, had their own revolution, where Tsar Alexander I and the imperial family was overthrown. While the Russians were busy with their revolution, France managed to conquer Poland, Byelorussia and the Ukraine. With a republican victory in Russia, the Russians signed a peace treaty with the French. France would stop its conquest of Russian territory, and would be allowed to keep what they already had under their control. With a partial victory in Russia, France goes on to conquer completely conquer Spain, Portugal and the Italian states.

In the Americas, while the UK, Spain and Portugal are busy with France, the US conquers all of Louisiana and Oregon territory, Florida, the Cuban Islands, Jamaica and the Bahamas. Mexico and Brazil become independent.

In Europe, the remnants of the Holy Roman Empire are freed from French control, by the British. The HRE and British-occupied Prussia are united as the German Empire, and the Austrian Empire breaks off its alliance with France, but that didn’t matter. Spain, Portugal and Italy have fallen. The government-in-exile of Spain flees to their remaining colonies in South America to avoid execution. The war is over. France has won.

In 1821, after the death of French emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, President James Monroe of the United States signs the Treaty of St. Petersburg, which forms an alliance between the USA, French Republic and Russian Republic. In response, King George IV of the United Kingdom forms the Quadruple Alliance with Germany, the Ottoman Empire and Austria.


Here is the world in 1815:
 
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it seems interesting. so napoleon still dies in 1821? and i wonder if a sort of Austro-German confederation would be more acceptable than an independent Germany at that time
 
I believe you just Abby's intellectual property... She already stated she was going to do this...
 
it seems interesting. so napoleon still dies in 1821? and i wonder if a sort of Austro-German confederation would be more acceptable than an independent Germany at that time
Yeah, its rumored that the British assassinated him, kind of like the ones surrounding Stalin's death. I though about doing a Austro-German Union, but Austria was still independent, unlike French-occupied Germany
 
Please continue. And I think American communism would generally be democratic. Look at Reds! for a guideline of what I think it would be like.
 
Why would france allow a unified German state? That makes no sense. Also the US conquering all that land and then joining a European alliance system also strains belief. And Russia becoming a full out republic just like that because they lost Borodino? Hmmmm
 
Sounds interesting. Might be hard to avoid all the cliches associated with American Communism, especially Debs and an invasion of both Canada and Mwxico.
 
Sounds interesting. Might be hard to avoid all the cliches associated with American Communism, especially Debs and an invasion of both Canada and Mwxico.
Well, I think Superman should take inspiration from Reds! which avoids all those things. (Well, Debs is a hero, but he's not leader...)
 
Sounds interesting. Might be hard to avoid all the cliches associated with American Communism, especially Debs and an invasion of both Canada and Mexico.
Well, Debs is dead by the time America goes commie and though Mexico is a socialist state, it's independent.
 
Well, Debs is dead by the time America goes commie and though Mexico is a socialist state, it's independent.
I recommend not making it boring communist dictatorship. Reds! did an interesting way of making a Communist America, through presidential and parliamentary democracy. You should take inspiration from that, its the most likely way. There's a revolution in Reds!, yes, but it was completely democratic.
 
America doesn't end up being a dictatorship, at least not in the sense that the Soviet Union was. At worst, it's like the post-Mao PRC. At best, like modern-day Russia, where one party dominates an otherwise democratic nation. But there is still a Cold War
 
America doesn't end up being a dictatorship, at least not in the sense that the Soviet Union was. At worst, it's like the post-Mao PRC. At best, like modern-day Russia, where one party dominates an otherwise democratic nation. But there is still a Cold War
Makes sense. You should look at Mexico pre-2000 for ideas. The PRI there were essentially the State Party for a helluva while.
 
Thanks to the butterfly net:

After writing The Communist Manifesto in 1848, Karl Marx escapes to France when the German government believes that his classless, worker-led society is a way of encouraging a rebellion against them.

In 1854, William Walker conquers the Mexican territory of Baja California, and declares it the independent Republic of Sonora. With a large army made of pro-slavery advocates from the southern United States, Walker declares war on Mexico, already weakened by its relatively recent war with the US. Because of the extreme popularity of his cause, Walker and the independent Sonora movement receive a large amount of supplies and soldiers from California, Texas and Louisiana. In 1855, the Republic of Sonora is recognized by Mexico and requests to be admitted into the US. Not wanting another war with Mexico, and not wanting to add more slave states without free states to keep the balance, it is denied admission, and so remains a separate republic where slavery is still legal.

During the Civil War, the UK and Germany send aid to the Confederate States of America, but are unable to directly assist it, for fear of attracting France’s attention and starting another war. Despite British aid, the Confederacy is defeated, and the Union is preserved. Though it seems as if peace will reign supreme, Southern sympathizer John Wilkes Booth assassinates President Abraham Lincoln. New President Hannibal Hamlin ensures that the former Confederate states are harshly punished, and reduces their status to territories. The people in the former Confederacy are subject to higher taxes and less rights. For the next half century, this is the status quo. Many ex-Confederates escape to the Republic of Sonora to avoid persecution, and lacking blacks, they instead enslave the native Hispanic population. Relations between the USA and Sonora are tense.
Here is the world in 1867:
 
The POD in Russia should be early in the 19th century leading to a transformation of Russia into one with a free market. Free the serfs earlier and get rid of the Tsar. Then have oil be discovered earlier in Russia, and have a period of extreme laissez-faire capitalism. In the late 1890s the democratic government breaks up the monopolies that form, and Russia develops in an America-like fashion then on.

Also, social democratic utopias are cliche. To truly be a Reverse Cold War the US should be a commie dictatorship and engage in huge projects of social and natural engineering. Dry up the Salt Lake (Aral Sea analogue) and if possible shrink one of the Great Lakes (Caspian Sea analogue). Reorganize the States larger regions, perhaps called Commonwealths or People's Republics.
 
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The POD is early in the 19th Century, during the Napoleonic Wars, in fact. Russia overthrows the tzar and becomes a republic. This allows France to conquer western Europe and becomes a republic again after the death of Napoleon
 
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