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    Final tables of the Primeira Division de Andalucia - Season 2023/24:

    Once again, like in most seasons, Union Betis Balompié confidently wins the Andalusian championship. surprisingly, Deportivo Antequera come fourth, but also reach the cup final against Union Betis Balompié, leading them into the Cup Winners' Cup and moving the spots for EuroLiga and 2. EuroLiga qualification down:
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    I think I'll overturn my Algeria plan again. I am thinking of a Jewish state (alternate Israel) either not existing at all or one in Senegal or Ivory Coast. What do you think about such ideas, @lionjedi1215 et al.? Or would you like a divided Algeria (Jewish "West Algeria" and Arab "East Algeria")?
     
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    Neoteros said:
    Through the After the End mod for CK3, I learned there's a community of Jewish-descended people in the Amazon, that'd be cool. :p
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    I like the divided Algeria idea.
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    Interesting, but I think I will rather implement the Senegal (or Senegal-Mali? Or Ivory Coast?) idea. I am still thinking about divided Algeria. I changed South America completely after first thinking about a Jewish state in South America (though in the Andes and not the Amazon), so I already shelved the idea of a Jewish state in South America.

    I also didn't know that Moroccan Jews are/were an established community - and there at least have been Jewish communities in West Africa, too.
     

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    A part of why I am leaning towards a Jewish state in West Africa: It opens the possibility that, contrary to Adolf Hitler IOTL, Robert Brazier was at least partially, if not mostly, successful in implementing an ATL *Madagascar Plan - but not on Madagascar (though that of course is also a possibility, now that I am thinking of it?) and out of anti-Semitism, anti-Africanism and anti-communism, deported Jews to some part of (West?) Africa.

    Which area would you think most likely?

    Also, communists and/or technocrats could then support pro-"Jewish state in Palestine" zionism against the Arab states...
     
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    Wow, I unwittingly created a very interesting reversal with this new *Israel in West Africa: ITTL, Israel is supported by most Arab states (against radical and extremist Syndicalism/Communism and Pan-Africanism).
     
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    Thanks to everybody from the international and football fan community on AH.com (@Jan Olbracht , @Neoteros , @Višeslav , @ValdoreWorks @Augenis , @Ramontxo , @QTXAdsy , @NTF aka Seb et al.) for all advice on alternate football clubs, on alternate possibilities, on names and cities. Also, I took major inspiration from lists of cities on Wikipedia and from OTL teams and companies. I will definitely post quite a few more league tables thanks to your help, advice and inspiration.

    Final table of the Aukščiausia Lyga Baltica - Season 2023/24:
    The three Baltic nations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania had not achieved much in international club football or in international football when they, cooperating ever more closely on many levels, agreed to unite their football associations (including their national teams) into one Baltic football association. This agreement was concluded during the 2014/15 season, coming into effect for the 2016/17 season, making the 2015/16 season a qualification and a transitional season. The new Baltic league since the 2016/17 season is still not among the best leagues in Europe, though. Some had expected this, mostly Baltic football fans, but experts and pundits pointed to the small population of the three Baltic states and the limited availability of stadia and other infrastructure, even if the infrastructure that exists is of high to very high quality. Also, despite being among the most highly developed states in Europe, professional footballers' salaries in the Baltics can't keep up with the top salaries in Germany, Poland or Yugoslavia - but they are on a level with Portugal.

    Thus, the Baltic league is one of the leagues famous for scouting and forming talented young players who clubs can sell for significant to outright massive transfer fees into the even higher-ranked European and North American leagues. Baltic clubs also often prove to be a valuable loan move for talented gem's careers.

    In this new Baltic league, teams from Riga and Kaunas have dominated, with the company team of Maižeikių Nafta, the only oil and chemical company of any note in the Baltics, playing a significant role, as does the team from the only notable Lithuanian port of Palanga.

    In this season, Jaunība Jūrmala's unusually bad league performance and FK Sadam Kuressaare not coming dead last, but instead staying up via the relegation playoff, were the main outliers.​

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    Pragmatic Progressive said:
    Thanks to everybody from the international and football fan community on AH.com (@Jan Olbracht , @Neoteros , @Višeslav , @ValdoreWorks @Augenis , @Ramontxo , @QTXAdsy , @NTF aka Seb et al.) for all advice on alternate football clubs, on alternate possibilities, on names and cities. Also, I took major inspiration from lists of cities on Wikipedia and from OTL teams and companies. I will definitely post quite a few more league tables thanks to your help, advice and inspiration.

    Final table of the Aukščiausia Lyga Baltica - Season 2023/24:
    The three Baltic nations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania had not achieved much in international club football or in international football when they, cooperating ever more closely on many levels, agreed to unite their football associations (including their national teams) into one Baltic football association. This agreement was concluded during the 2014/15 season, coming into effect for the 2016/17 season, making the 2015/16 season a qualification and a transitional season. The new Baltic league since the 2016/17 season is still not among the best leagues in Europe, though. Some had expected this, mostly Baltic football fans, but experts and pundits pointed to the small population of the three Baltic states and the limited availability of stadia and other infrastructure, even if the infrastructure that exists is of high to very high quality. Also, despite being among the most highly developed states in Europe, professional footballers' salaries in the Baltics can't keep up with the top salaries in Germany, Poland or Yugoslavia - but they are on a level with Portugal.

    Thus, the Baltic league is one of the leagues famous for scouting and forming talented young players who clubs can sell for significant to outright massive transfer fees into the even higher-ranked European and North American leagues. Baltic clubs also often prove to be a valuable loan move for talented gem's careers.

    In this new Baltic league, teams from Riga and Kaunas have dominated, with the company team of Maižeikių Nafta, the only oil and chemical company of any note in the Baltics, playing a significant role, as does the team from the only notable Lithuanian port of Palanga.

    In this season, Jaunība Jūrmala's unusually bad league performance and FK Sadam Kuressaare not coming dead last, but instead staying up via the relegation playoff, were the main outliers.​

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    The Baltics merged their national teams, too? Is it a prelude to an actual political unification? AFAIK, no national teams in any sport did this, while still being independent - sure, there's the West Indies in cricket, but the team first arose while the West Indies were an actual federation.
     

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    The Baltics merged their national teams, too? Is it a prelude to an actual political unification?
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    Yeah, I am indeed thinking about the Baltics federating soon, there you are right. But I also thought that if dividing one's national team like the UK does is possible, why should uniting several national teams not be possible, at least as a prelude to federation?
     
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    Yeah, I am indeed thinking about the Baltics federating soon, there you are right. But I also thought that if dividing one's national team like the UK does is possible, why should uniting several national teams not be possible, at least as a prelude to federation?
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    The UK's teams were grandfathered in, since they predate the establishment of... almost everything else in football, really - if England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales tried to join UEFA right now, they wouldn't be able to join. Geopolitical oddities might allow for exceptions to the rules however - before the San Marino national team was established, for example, local players were eligible to play for Italy, and in several sports Northern Irish athletes can choose whether to represent Ireland or the UK. If a Baltic union is actually in the works however, the FIFA equivalent might greenlight the team, since it'd comply to the one state/one team rule, similarly to how the former USSR countries played as the CIS in the early 1990s.
     
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    Maybe this isn't quite as strict here...

    Also, how distinct is Mestre from Venezia (Venice)?
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    Mestre is, basically, the mainland suburb of Venice - it was annexed to Venice proper in the 1920s, and today it has more inhabitants than Venice's islands; if Venice doesn't experience the decline it did IRL however, Mestre might not be annexed to Venice, and it will keep being a somewhat rural town rather than a sprawling expanse of cement.
     

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    Mestre is, basically, the mainland suburb of Venice - it was annexed to Venice proper in the 1920s, and today it has more inhabitants than Venice's islands; if Venice doesn't experience the decline it did IRL however, Mestre might not be annexed to Venice, and it will keep being a somewhat rural town rather than a sprawling expanse of cement.
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    Thanks for the information! Would the people in Mestre (as a suburb of Venice) accept a club that is called Venezia-Mestre, or would it have to be Mestre without Venezia?
     

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    Now that I am a lot happier, indeed very happy with the 2023 map (which does not rule out further border changes), I am thinking of making a (quick?) map for TTLs Fatherland equivalent (or at least: a common National Populist/Entente Nationale victory scenario in the 1950s-1960s).

    I also have thought of calling the scenario La Patrie - what do you think?
     
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    I have as good as decided to make Ireland independent and united. Also, what do you think about British communism having fallen at the end of the Cold War and thus Britain being democratic capitalist once again, maybe even having seen a "Velvet Divorce" re: Scotland?

    I once thought of Britain as the analogue to China, but this role has shifted to India (and then to Japan and its technocratic bloc, including Indian successor states). The role of a China analogue would anyway probably have been implausible (except for cases of a communist *Imperial Federation or something like that). Thus, Britain was "just" a communist ally of the UASWR, which might well have fallen after the Cold War ended.
     
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    I have as good as decided to make Ireland independent and united. Also, what do you think about British communism having fallen at the end of the Cold War and thus Britain being democratic capitalist once again, maybe even having seen a "Velvet Divorce" re: Scotland?

    I once thought of Britain as the analogue to China, but this role has shifted to India (and then to Japan and its technocratic bloc, including Indian successor states). The role of a China analogue would anyway probably have been implausible (except for cases of a communist *Imperial Federation or something like that). Thus, Britain was "just" a communist ally of the UASWR, which might well have fallen after the Cold War ended.
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    We could have an independent Scotland that aligns itself with a surviving Red Ireland. Also may I suggest a Communist Iberian Union as the "PRC" of this timeline as well as a British Republic that replaces the Syndicalist/Communist government if you decide to go with that. (Since I saw Britain as more of an analogue to Yugoslavia originally)
     

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    Scotland is indeed independent - and certainly there was a communist Britain from approx. 1942/1943 until the late 1980s or early 1990s.

    lionjedi1215 said:
    Also may I suggest a Communist Iberian Union as the "PRC" of this timeline
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    The role of the economic PRC is vested in Japan, the technocratic states of the Indian subcontinent, Africa and Southeast Asia.

    lionjedi1215 said:
    surviving Red Ireland
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    For Ireland, I have changed plan altogether so that there never was a red Ireland.

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    analogue to Yugoslavia originally)
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    That is to be found on the Indian subcontinent.
     
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