(Retry) DBWI: Once again, it's wasn't genocide!

No wonder Turkey and the US are such tight friends these days: we're both stuck with the propogandized truths that have lived past their time. A UN resolution calling declaring the end of WW2 base genocide for expansionism? Well, a big -bleep- to them. They started the fight, they kept fighting to the very end.
 
No wonder Turkey and the US are such tight friends these days: we're both stuck with the propogandized truths that have lived past their time. A UN resolution calling declaring the end of WW2 base genocide for expansionism? Well, a big -bleep- to them. They started the fight, they kept fighting to the very end.

hear hear, that blockade is the only thing thats keeping the USSR from invading those shit-hole islands!
 

Valdemar II

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No wonder Turkey and the US are such tight friends these days: we're both stuck with the propogandized truths that have lived past their time. A UN resolution calling declaring the end of WW2 base genocide for expansionism? Well, a big -bleep- to them. They started the fight, they kept fighting to the very end.

I'm sorry what are you talking about.
 
He's refering to our sixty-year old air/naval blockade of the ghost islands of Japan.
 

Valdemar II

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He's refering to our sixty-year old air/naval blockade of the ghost islands of Japan.

Huh that, who cares the it not like their are many Japanese left to care, even if I the settler enclaves a little to much.
O.C.C. I didn't see the DBWI tag
 
hear hear, that blockade is the only thing thats keeping the USSR from invading those shit-hole islands!
They have as much an excuse as we do, don't forget. They have yet to sign a peace treaty, for example. And it's not like the USSR didn't de facto annex its own parts of Europe.
 
That Darn Stalin! Declaring war on Japan and that whole August Storm thing! Just to comply with the request of the US government! :confused:


And, really, what were all the Japanese settlers doing in Manchuria, anyway?
[OOC: This Thread makes no sense]
 
That Darn Stalin! Declaring war on Japan and that whole August Storm thing! Just to comply with the request of the US government! :confused:


And, really, what were all the Japanese settlers doing in Manchuria, anyway?
[OOC: This Thread makes no sense]
ooc: Think of it like this:for some reason, the war in the Pacific doesn't end when it did OTL, and the US navy blockaded (and the Airforce raided) Japan to the point that the population more or less starved to death. Now, 60 odd years later, some group of people have tried to pass a resolution declaring said starvation a deliberate genocide strategy for territorial expansion by the US. I, as a US citizen, disagree with that, and made analogy to the Armenian Genocide, which TTL US agrees with Turkey in that it was not a genocide (on the basis that the other side kept fight on and on).
 
ooc: Think of it like this:for some reason, the war in the Pacific doesn't end when it did OTL, and the US navy blockaded (and the Airforce raided) Japan to the point that the population more or less starved to death. Now, 60 odd years later, some group of people have tried to pass a resolution declaring said starvation a deliberate genocide strategy for territorial expansion by the US. I, as a US citizen, disagree with that, and made analogy to the Armenian Genocide, which TTL US agrees with Turkey in that it was not a genocide (on the basis that the other side kept fight on and on).

How are either of these a DBWI?

Russia and Japan are technically still at war over some of those islands.
The USA really did exactly that, using its own submarines to kill Japanese Merchant Shipping and eventually using its fleet to hold the line, all the while bombing Japanese Cities into rubble. That's not even fictional, and there are claims that these attacks were war crimes.

Besides, the USA wanting to turn the Japanese Homeland into part of the USA is ASB with a president Roosevelt or Truman, and probably pretty darn close with any sane president.

Can't figure out what's going on here--the PoD has got to be pre WW1 to have that kind of attitude...
 
How are either of these a DBWI?

Russia and Japan are technically still at war over some of those islands.
The USA really did exactly that, using its own submarines to kill Japanese Merchant Shipping and eventually using its fleet to hold the line, all the while bombing Japanese Cities into rubble. That's not even fictional, and there are claims that these attacks were war crimes.

Besides, the USA wanting to turn the Japanese Homeland into part of the USA is ASB with a president Roosevelt or Truman, and probably pretty darn close with any sane president.

Can't figure out what's going on here--the PoD has got to be pre WW1 to have that kind of attitude...
ooc: ...it's a DBWI because, and I repeat, it didn't end when it did OTL? Because Japan didn't go down into a nation-wide starvation die-off that reduced the population to a miniscule fraction of the pre-war population? Because there isn't some group that's regularly claiming at the highest levels of the UN that the War in the Pacific was a genocidal war of American conquest? Because the US hasn't been keeping a naval blockade of Japan for the last 60 years, to keep all the other countries out?

Part of a DBWI is, you know, expanding it yourself. I just gave a start, which was a much delayed end to the War which led to the near elimination of the Japanese people. Whether those UN claims are exagerated, whether there is an actual US policy of resettling those islands, history in the other parts of the war, those are things you need to help on. If you can't read the first five posts of the topic and tell some ways that this DBWI is different from OTL, then you probably shouldn't be cluttering up the DBWI in the first place. You can always not post if you don't understand or like what's going on.
 
OOC: Right. As a American of Japanese descent, I'm more than slightly upset at your complete lack of taste in this topic. Now you want to fantasize about a genocide that could only have happened in your own mind and are trying to school me over my lack of imagination?

Do you have any clue how ridiculous ANY OF THIS IS? The USA doesn't have the discipline to punish a far out string of islands thousands of miles from home, and build atop a nuked out wasteland, over land that they already have huge amounts of in their own interior. Not to mention their own deliberate human rights abuse that would never have happened under Harry Truman. I could go on, but any 13 year old knows that the USA doesn't and wouldn't exterminate the Japanese for Land that they already have. If you don't know that already, I don't know what you are doing here. If you did, you probably also understand that tomfoolery over MASS DEATH is at least Stupid and misguided, if not clearly sociopathic.

You've picked the wrong forum to wholly suspend realism. And the wrong website to share a sociopathic fantasy. Understand that you are scoring points by claiming the Armenian Genocide was a myth--and trying to create another genocide to laugh about. So knock this crap off.

Now I understand why you had to "Retry" this thread. Well, it isn't a good idea now either. Making jokes over the deaths of Millions--that is what you are doing. I'm out of this thread, and you should probably leave it too--this is a very poor idea in general.
 
OOC: Right. As a American of Japanese descent, I'm more than slightly upset at your complete lack of taste in this topic. Now you want to fantasize about a genocide that could only have happened in your own mind and are trying to school me over my lack of imagination?

Do you have any clue how ridiculous ANY OF THIS IS? The USA doesn't have the discipline to punish a far out string of islands thousands of miles from home, and build atop a nuked out wasteland, over land that they already have huge amounts of in their own interior. Not to mention their own deliberate human rights abuse that would never have happened under Harry Truman. I could go on, but any 13 year old knows that the USA doesn't and wouldn't exterminate the Japanese for Land that they already have. If you don't know that already, I don't know what you are doing here. If you did, you probably also understand that tomfoolery over MASS DEATH is at least Stupid and misguided, if not clearly sociopathic.

You've picked the wrong forum to wholly suspend realism. And the wrong website to share a sociopathic fantasy. Understand that you are scoring points by claiming the Armenian Genocide was a myth--and trying to create another genocide to laugh about. So knock this crap off.

Now I understand why you had to "Retry" this thread. Well, it isn't a good idea now either. Making jokes over the deaths of Millions--that is what you are doing. I'm out of this thread, and you should probably leave it too--this is a very poor idea in general.

OOC: Facepalm. Dean, looks like you're going to have to drop this or start a third thread.
 
Oy vey. I was even about to come back and try and temper my words, but you keep taking the DBWI out far beyond anything I intended.:rolleyes:

If you've been paying attention to the "Japanese Victory(?)" thread, Calbear has been constantly referencing just how much in dire straights Japan's population was post-WW2 OTL, and just how much worse it could have gotten had the war continued. This DBWI was intended to try and explore what would have happened HAD that happened: had a surrender not been negotiated, had weather forced off an American invasion to the next year while the blockade remained (and, I might point out, the 60 year blockade wasn't my idea), Japan WOULD have suffered a population loss much, much worse than it did, (though calling it such a small fraction was a complete mistake on my part). And it would have been something some would call genocide, while people in the US would most likely have rejected such an accusation. Japan suffering worse is as much a legitimate DBWI as America suffering MAD.

The UN resolution about territorial was intended to be a propoganda piece by some ideological faction or another. My character was against that label; I have no control about what others say. A more or less minor island here or there? Maybe even the small island the US considered annexing OTL? That would be the basis of a claim that could be expanded, had someone wanted to make the effort. Even a single character saying "no, that's bullshit" like you did OOC would have been appropriate. That's what a DBWI is half about: disagreement. Only in this case, it hardly would have been a disagreement because you would have been agreeing with my character in saying that the UN resolution was a load of BS.

The Armenian Genocide was an in-character universe attitude. Believe it or not, there are people who reject accusations that the the Armenian Genocide was a deliberate policy to eradicate each and every Armenian. Abdul could read you a list. I thought that it was rather obvious that TTL US would adopt a more sympathetic view of the Turks position if they (the US) were in a similar position of being accussed of something that those in the US felt was an unfair accusation.

As for why this thread is a "retry," it's because some people don't understand how to roleplay into and take part in a DBWI. Your entire position would have been entirely legitimate as an in-character explanation as to why the UN resolution was bad.
 
'Even in ATLs, there are some creative idiots.'

Great sig and user title, too.
I felt I needed to change the user title, but I got the sig from a certain dystopia-author who felt compelled to state the obvious after some people confused fiction with ideal worlds.
 
I felt I needed to change the user title, but I got the sig from a certain dystopia-author who felt compelled to state the obvious after some people confused fiction with ideal worlds.

Yeah, we've got a bit of a permanent idiot epidemic on the site. I've felt that sometimes something should be done about it, but the place'd be mighty lonely if it were.
 
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