Retrospective US Presidential Election: 1884

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I plan to run through every US presidential election, two per week. The 28 elections from 1789-1896 will be run simultaneously with the 28 elections from 1900-2008. Be sure to vote in each election!

For 1789-1800, I will include in the poll everyone who received at least 5% of the electoral vote. From 1804-2008, I will include everyone who received at least 0.05% of the popular vote. Results for each election will be posted on the dedicated Retrospective US Presidential Election Results Thread (here) and compared to the actual results. The thread for general project discussion is here.

Here's the link to the 1996 election.
 
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Blaine, Blaine, James Gillespie Blaine, the Bearded Great Reformer from the State of Maine!

...was also corrupt, in the pocket of big business, debatably complacent in anti-Catholic policies and bigotry with the Blaine Amendment (Although his mother was Irish Catholic and he actively campaigned for the Catholic vote; like I said, highly debatable), and an unrepentant imperialist.

I'm leaning towards Cleveland (Not voting for Blaine, concerned about Butler despite his good record on rights for Blacks, Catholics, and women, also is it just me or does he look like a turkey :)p), and barely know anything about John St. John other than he has a damn cool name), but will wait for those more knowledgeable of this period to provide their comments and analysis.
 
Cleveland is basically Ron Paul.

Which means, as a "bleeding-heart liberal", you shouldn't even consider voting for him.

Butler's a bit of a...personality but his heart's clearly in the right place.
 
...was also corrupt, in the pocket of big business, debatably complacent in anti-Catholic policies and bigotry with the Blaine Amendment (Although his mother was Irish Catholic and he actively campaigned for the Catholic vote; like I said, highly debatable), and an unrepentant imperialist.

I'm leaning towards Cleveland (Not voting for Blaine, concerned about Butler despite his good record on rights for Blacks, Catholics, and women, also is it just me or does he look like a turkey :)p), and barely know anything about John St. John other than he has a damn cool name), but will wait for those more knowledgeable of this period to provide their comments and analysis.

Blaine also supported civil rights for African-Americans and can't possibly be any more in the pocket of big business than Cleveland is, and I for one don't buy the Anti-Catholic thing.

John St. John is a solid progressive candidate (if a Prohibitionist), my main reason for not voting for him is that I read the Prohibition Party's 1884 Platform and it explicitly says that they will focus all of their energy and efforts on establishing Prohibition before moving onto the other parts of their platform, like Women's Suffrage. So I'd be concerned that they'd blow all of their momentum on Prohibition and not have anything left for the rest of their platform.

Ben Butler isn't too bad, my main opposition is that I am skeptical of the Greenback Party's economic strategy and do not think that they would be able to deliver on the rest of their platform - this is still the Gilded Age, after all. At least I know that the Republicans will succeed in making small steps in the right direction, and not fail at making huge leaps, as I fear the Greenbacks would.

Also, my more frivolous reasons: Blaine is the only one with a full beard and I really want to see a President from Maine. Also, he was President in TL-191 so it'd be fun if he actually won in this ATL too.
 
Blaine was a corrupt establishment politician. Though I detest Cleveland's economic policies, the issue of the day was civil service reform, and I would have been a mugwump.
 
This is a quick reminder regarding the Prohibition Party.

Although on the surface they appear to be reactionary, the Prohibition Party was a large part of the Progressive Era and Progressive reforms. John St. John was a Republican but left because he felt that the party had abandoned African Americans. After his time in the military, he set up the Freedman's Relief Association to help blacks who wanted to move out of the South. He was also a prominent advocate of women's rights, particularly suffrage due to his mother's influence. Lastly, he's really big on education.

TL;DR Version: A vote for John St. John is a vote for

- Equal Rights for African Americans
- Women's Suffrage
- Better Education standards for the US
- Prohibition

I honestly think that the first three items far outweigh the last.
 
But as noted above, Prohibition was their first priority - better to go for Butler, who had the same policies and would focus on them first.

Of course prohibition is their first priority! The scourge of drink is destroying the moral fibre of this nation!
 
Cleveland is basically Ron Paul.

Which means, as a "bleeding-heart liberal", you shouldn't even consider voting for him.

Butler's a bit of a...personality but his heart's clearly in the right place.

I'd bring up his good stances on rooting out corruption, opposition to imperialism, and personal integrity, but it just makes it more apparent Ron Paul at some point had a mind swap with Grover Cleveland. :D

This is a quick reminder regarding the Prohibition Party.

Although on the surface they appear to be reactionary, the Prohibition Party was a large part of the Progressive Era and Progressive reforms. John St. John was a Republican but left because he felt that the party had abandoned African Americans. After his time in the military, he set up the Freedman's Relief Association to help blacks who wanted to move out of the South. He was also a prominent advocate of women's rights, particularly suffrage due to his mother's influence. Lastly, he's really big on education.

TL;DR Version: A vote for John St. John is a vote for

- Equal Rights for African Americans
- Women's Suffrage
- Better Education standards for the US
- Prohibition

I honestly think that the first three items far outweigh the last.

On the other hand, from what Komodo said, their platform was rather more single-mindedly focused on implementing prohibition rather than other progressive issues. Does anyone know what kund of a job St. John did as Governor of Kansas? All Wikipedia has is that he successfully passed a prohibition amendment there and set up a relief organization for Black settlers.
 
I'd bring up his good stances on rooting out corruption, opposition to imperialism, and personal integrity, but it just makes it more apparent Ron Paul at some point had a mind swap with Grover Cleveland. :D



On the other hand, from what Komodo said, their platform was rather more single-mindedly focused on implementing prohibition rather than other progressive issues. Does anyone know what kund of a job St. John did as Governor of Kansas? All Wikipedia has is that he successfully passed a prohibition amendment there and set up a relief organization for Black settlers.

I've never heard of their single-minded approach in 1884 before. Does anyone have a link?

The Kansas Historical Society has a short biography on him, which includes his time as Governor.

He entered the political arena when he championed a movement in 1872 to displace U.S. Senator Samuel E. Pomeroy, a former friend, in favor of his opponent John J. Ingalls. In 1872, citizens of the Ninth District elected St. John to the State Senate, where he represented them from 1873 to 1874. In 1876, the Prohibition Party solicited him to run for governor on their ticket. However, St. John refused the nomination. In 1878 and 1880, he won the gubernatorial election, and represented the Republican Party as governor of the State of Kansas.
In his inaugural speech of 1878, St. John raised the issue of Prohibition, stating that the money spent on alcohol in Kansas would pay for the operation of that State’s government for a year. Viewing alcohol as a social and economic pariah, St. John advocated its elimination as a source of evil from the state, and eventually the country as a whole. St. John advocated social rights be offered to all people, regardless of their gender, race, or economic status.
Governor St. John faced several high profile crises while in office. Federal troops left the South after the end of the Reconstruction period, and racial discrimination resumed. From 1878 to 1879 the “Great Exodus” of African Americans, mainly former slaves, arrived from the Southern states in search of a better life. The term “Exodusters” came to represent the freedmen who believed Kansas was their “promised land.” Advertisements spread by Benjamin “Pap” Singleton and others telling of the opportunities to own land in Kansas prompted their migration. The 1862 Homestead Act provided 160 acres of land to anyone who paid the filing fee and lived there for five years. The Desert Land Act of 1877 also provided for the sale of up to 640 acres of land at $.25 per acre.
Many people arrived by boat - having traveled up the Mississippi River to St. Louis, Missouri, and then by steamboat on the Missouri River across the state of Missouri - to arrive in the city of Wyandotte. This city was located at the confluence of the Missouri and Kansas Rivers, and is now part of present day Kansas City, Kansas. This was a trip of almost one thousand miles for those traveling from Louisiana. Today that trip would take fourteen hours to drive, however, in 1879 the trip took at least six days if done non - stop. For most “Exodusters,” due to lack of money and the slow speed of their vessels, the trip took somewhere around twenty days to complete.
Several thousand refugees arrived in Wyandotte in one month; fifteen thousand arrived in 1879 alone. The number of refugees became so large and so disproportionate to the number of permanent residents, that Wyandotte’s residents begged for assistance in sheltering, clothing, and feeding the poor and homeless, who often spent everything they had just to get to Wyandotte. Wyandotte’s residents donated food, clothing, and shelter for the refugees, but their resources were limited, and quickly stretched beyond their limits. At one point the situation was so desperate, that steamboats were banned from landing in Wyandotte, on the Kansas side of the Missouri River, and forced to land in Kansas City, on the Missouri side. Other cities in the region - such as Leavenworth and Atchison, Kansas - found themselves inundated as well. Militant citizens even made threats against the boat captains who continued to provide passage for refugees. The federal government denied assistance, and the State of Kansas found itself responsible for thousands of homeless and impoverished people.
To assist the Exodusters and the citizens of Wyandotte, Governor St. John established the Freedman’s State Central Association, which he headed. St. John knew the refugees were trustworthy and could not help being poor and homeless. The African American refugees were sent to neighboring towns and communities until, finally, Governor St. John advocated bringing them all to Topeka by train and establishing a camp to help them. Many of the refugees were sick with diseases such as measles; pneumonia; pleurisy, an inflammation of the lungs; and the bloody flux, intestinal bleeding, a form of dysentery.
On top of the large influx of new citizens, St. John was also dealing with disturbances in the southern part of the State. “Indian” raiders were attacking settlers along the southern border with Indian Territory, now present-day Oklahoma. St. John received messages from many citizens concerned about the situation. St. John sent a mounted guard to protect this part of the State from the unwanted visitors.
St. John, besides averting disaster with his forethought and cool head in many chaotic situations, also strove to improve the State’s infrastructure. He opened coal mines at the Kansas State Penitentiary in Lansing to help make the facility more self-sufficient. St. John also oversaw the addition of the west wing to the Statehouse in Topeka, as well as rebuilding the State Normal School in Emporia, now Emporia State University, following a disastrous fire.
During the summer of 1879, United States President Rutherford B. Hayes visited the state, and Governor St. John took him to the Woodson County Fair. In June of 1880, Governor St. John hosted United States President Ulysses S. Grant during his visit to Kansas. However, these famous and influential visitors were not the only ways that Governor St. John brought notoriety to the State of Kansas.
He does seem like a really good man. If it were just not for his involvement for the temperance movement, he would be the perfect candidate.
 
TL;DR Version: A vote for John St. John is a vote for
- Equal Rights for African Americans
- Women's Suffrage
- Better Education standards for the US
- Prohibition

I honestly think that the first three items far outweigh the last.
James Blaine from the State of Maine supported the first, and was the husband of a teacher at a female university.

He also supported free public education.

And, no Prohibition!
 
OK, I'm calling out Japhy. As the most vocal supporter of the Republicans of this era, can you respond to claims made in the past couple elections that the Greenbacks' fiscal policy is not as horrendous (at least relative to that of the Republicans) as you had stated previously on numerous occasions? I'm still deciding between Blaine and Butler, so I'd like to hear what you have to say.
 
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