Results of a Big Buisness Handling of the Great Depression

So Hitler still rises in Germany? USSR has a competent military structure? Who leads the USSR?

Japan will be back and will be looking to get another swing at the USSR. I think with the way your TL is going I see this happening in Europe: Germany fights the USSR and ignores France. I think Munich in '38 will lead to France and England saying enough no Czechoslovakia. Hitler says ok (this was his OTL plan anyway). in OTL German military said they would be war ready in '42, Germany tries again and USSR which has increased interests in E. Europe because of colonial issues in Africa (butterflies), goes to war with Germany over the Polish border or the Sudetenland. Japan joins Germany to get another swing at it. The US is still mired in the GD and never goes on to become the "Arsenal of Democracy." because Western Europe never gets involved.

Al Smith is President from 28-36 NIRA saves the country business consolidates and is seen as the real mover and not govt. spending except when it comes to big business. 36 see Taft/Lindbergh ticket and isolationism being huge.

Try Pming RogueBeaver he seems to know alot about this time period. I am at work and hopefully will be able to comment more when I get home.
Great help, but one problem:Mexican terrorists may cause some...issues with Smith.

Also, the USSR is led by Alexi Rykov and is using the NEP. Hitler rising is still questionable, being the GD in the US could be changed significantly.

IDK if this could alter Europe's economic scene, which is what I need help with now. If it does, there's a chance Hitler wouldn't even rise, then history gets really messed up.

If it doesn't effect Europe, then Hitler should rise. However, I intend for his government to be less violently anti-semetic. This would be caused by the rest of teh world already seeing his dangerous potential (Munish coup goes even worse, Hitler given max sentence in max security prison.) Therefore, they aren't half as evil Nazish as OTL. i.e. no Krischtallnat or a significantly less harmful one.
 
Great help, but one problem:Mexican terrorists may cause some...issues with Smith.

Also, the USSR is led by Alexi Rykov and is using the NEP. Hitler rising is still questionable, being the GD in the US could be changed significantly.

IDK if this could alter Europe's economic scene, which is what I need help with now. If it does, there's a chance Hitler wouldn't even rise, then history gets really messed up.

If it doesn't effect Europe, then Hitler should rise. However, I intend for his government to be less violently anti-semetic. This would be caused by the rest of teh world already seeing his dangerous potential (Munish coup goes even worse, Hitler given max sentence in max security prison.) Therefore, they aren't half as evil Nazish as OTL. i.e. no Krischtallnat or a significantly less harmful one.

You still have Versailles to worry about without a significant renegotiation of that you still get a Far-right rise in Germany. Without a GD than Hitler can't blame the jews so that makes sense. I think with a Big Business handling of the GD you will get one in Europe. The second issue with the GD is this: business is used to being financed by buying on margin therefore these business expand there inventories because people are buying there products and stocks with the profits from the margins. See? So by the time the GD hits all these business have massive inventories and no one who can afford to buy anything.

For some Alternate handlings of GD look at Eckeners: Airship Pres. a TL
and America and the Red Revolution. should give you an idea of what I am talking about in terms of VErsailles and GD fucking everything up. One more piece of advice, trying going to Wiki search GD and then see what books are used for sources and hit the library to research it.
 

Wolfpaw

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Just a note: Bob Taft won't appear on any ticket before at least 1940. I mean, the guy was elected Senator in 1939. '36 is waaay too early. And unless things in Europe go to shit as per OTL, isolationism won't be a big vote getter in Catboy's TL; it'll be the expected norm.
 
Just a note: Bob Taft won't appear on any ticket before at least 1940. I mean, the guy was elected Senator in 1939. '36 is waaay too early. And unless things in Europe go to shit as per OTL, isolationism won't be a big vote getter in Catboy's TL; it'll be the expected norm.

So Wendell Wilkie it is? I guess being a Wall St. Lawyer is a plus in this TL.
 
They should be finished by 1973. :)

Really, though, the idea that Italy will get nukes without outside help before, say, 1960 is ASB.
I never said they'd finsish soon.

However, take note that Einstien has fled to Italy (after Hitler's really failed coup, many Jews became wary), and is working with Enrico Fermi. Italy isn't going to be wasting ti's resources on war anytime soon.
 

Wolfpaw

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Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but whenever I hear of Mussolini getting the Bomb first, I always think of "The Drowned Baby Timeline" :p:D
 
Oh, and Italy is building nuclear weapons after puppeting up Eithopia.

What?! Mussolini with the A-bomb :eek: <runs to another continuum>

However, take note that Einstien has fled to Italy (after Hitler's really failed coup, many Jews became wary), and is working with Enrico Fermi. Italy isn't going to be wasting ti's resources on war anytime soon.

Seriously, if Italy manages to keep stable (not too difficult) and funds enough Einstein and Fermi, italians could head the nuclear reasearch.
I'm a bit dubious on the bomb, though. Without a war or the peril of a nazist egemony, I don't think that any country would invest the huge amount of money necessary. Probably the discovery of A-bomb would be slowed by at least twenty years than OTL.

A minor nitpick: without the fascists any operation against Ethiopia is unprobable. Relations between Abyssinia and Italy were rather good in the 20ies.

By the way, how we ended discussing italian atomic bombs from the great depression?
 
I never said they'd finsish soon.

However, take note that Einstien has fled to Italy (after Hitler's really failed coup, many Jews became wary), and is working with Enrico Fermi. Italy isn't going to be wasting ti's resources on war anytime soon.

Einstein isn't going to be much help in developing nuclear weapons - that really isn't his field and in OTL his only (!) contribution to the Manhattan Project was signing the letter urging Roosevelt to pursue nuclear weapons development.

E=mc² might be used to calculate the energy output of a fission reaction by plugging in the mass defect between fissile material and fission products, but apart from that Einstein's work has very little relevance in nuclear weapons design! ;)
 
Did I mention the rockets? The US has functionaing (prototype) rockets by 1929 ready for military service. I mean the RPg type and V-1 type.
 
Did I mention the rockets? The US has functionaing (prototype) rockets by 1929 ready for military service. I mean the RPg type and V-1 type.

This is a direct reaction to the GERMAN efforts at Penemunde. The Americans didn't get rockets until we stole Von Braun from under the Soviets' nose in 1945. The theoretical framework for Rocketry doesn't exist.

I don't think a big business solution to the GD will create the necessary background for rocket studies. The time pre-GD certainly didn't. We were still figuring out propellers and IC Engines and were nowhere close to turbines or liquid hydrogen. The Rockets are purely going to be military tech, i don't see any collection of butterflies that would have big business be interested in rockets not GE not DuPont not anyone. Rockets is in my mind strictly a govt. project and any business led solution is going to keep the govt. small and isolationist in politics.
 
Actually, the rockets are unrelated to the GD. It's called Three Seconds Late because Robert Goddard was born three seconds later than OTL. He eventually works for the Army to create rockets, beginning in 1920.

Goddard was good with rockets, and he did say the Germans may have stolen his ideas. So I find that it's fine for them to be there ITTL.

GSM, thank you for all your help. I'm goign to start updating my TL again, with much better and bigger updates. Thank you sincerly.
 
Wow. This is disgusting. I've got half a mind to report you.
you know the problem with the internet..it's all text and no tune
tune can be the difference between someone being humerusly sarcastic and bat-shit-insanity
i know i've been banned off boards for sill misunderstandings
personally where you see an insult i see sarcasm
yes
and i'm poor myself

anyway...i always thought goverment intervention was to soften the blows of the free markit...the great depression was a natural outcome to wild irrational exuberance and the logical conclusion would be mass starvation
 
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