Result Of An Entente Victory In 1916?

Just working up ideas for a new TL and part of the idea I have is an early entente victory in WWI due to various reasons. Thinking over such a scenario though, I can't really imagine things coming off too well for the Central Powers aside from maybe the Ottoman Empire... ish.

You'll still have France wanting revenge for the Franco-Prussian War and the need to cut down on German strength. Plus in this scenario, Russia will still be standing and want its pound of flesh, most likely in the form of German Poland or something. Due to fears over the strength of Germany rising again, I can easily see another War guilt clause and limits on their Military strength. One way they might get off easier is reparations, two less years of conflict might help in this regard at least.

As for the other Central Powers (Or those who fought on their side), Austro-Hungary could very well collapse with Serbia getting everything it wanted while the Ottoman Empire might just give up the fight to pull through although I can see it surviving, barely albeit with Britain and France getting even more influence in the Middle East.

Your thoughts?
 
An Iron Curtain has descended on Europe

I have been tempted to do an early Entente victory TL based on WI Ludendorff continued his Polish offensive in Oct 1914 resulting in peace in 1915. My preliminary thoughts:

1] Tsarist Russia will quickly replace Germany as the new Big Bad in the eyes of the British. For this reason they will not want Germany weakened too much and by 1920 could actually be in alliance with them.

2] Asquith will still be prime minister.

3] Germany will remain a monarchy but with Wilherm stepping down and his son replacing him.

4] Clemenceau is not prime minister. This too can serve to ameliorate the peace terms though obviously return of AL is a given.

5] Wilson is not involved in the peace conference. This may help Austro-Hungary, though I still see them losing much of their Slavic territories. There is some chance that the reduced AH might be more stable politically actually enhancing its survival prospects.
 
I have been tempted to do an early Entente victory TL based on WI Ludendorff continued his Polish offensive in Oct 1914 resulting in peace in 1915. My preliminary thoughts:

1] Tsarist Russia will quickly replace Germany as the new Big Bad in the eyes of the British. For this reason they will not want Germany weakened too much and by 1920 could actually be in alliance with them.

2] Asquith will still be prime minister.

3] Germany will remain a monarchy but with Wilherm stepping down and his son replacing him.

4] Clemenceau is not prime minister. This too can serve to ameliorate the peace terms though obviously return of AL is a given.

5] Wilson is not involved in the peace conference. This may help Austro-Hungary, though I still see them losing much of their Slavic territories. There is some chance that the reduced AH might be more stable politically actually enhancing its survival prospects.

Interesting ideas. Would Germany still see a limitation of its Military though? I can imagine that even if Britain would want them somewhat strong to combat Russia, they're still going to want to prevent another ship building race.
 

Deleted member 1487

Britain would push naval limitations, France and Russia army restrictions. Here Germany would probably lose Posen and Upper Silesia while Galicia is taken from AH. The question is if Italy and Romania are in, which I would assume. That means no more Transylvania or South Tyrol, but the Brenner pass border may not be an option. Perhaps Trieste instead and Fiume instead? No more Bosnia-Herzogovina, Dalmatia, or Bukowina either. AH is cut down to a minimum and probably breaks into two halves, rump Hungary (hungary, slovakia, croatia) and Austria (austria, czechia, rump slovenia).

Obviously the loss of AL would be tossed out there as well.
 
As French and British war aims were already set (and hardly changed during the war), in this case Russian war aims would add to the equation.
Thus, the result would make Versailles look like a harmless kindergarten.
 
Germany would still get the shit end of the stick (IMO Versailles was harsh, other opinions may differ), for all the reasons already said. France wanting to cut down German power, but it will be worse with Russia, etc.

I don't know a lot about the very minor East Asian theatre of WWI. When were Germany's Pacific colonies captured by Japan, Australia and New Zealand? Thinking about it, Japan gobbled up as much as they could as quickly as they could, and felt like they got the rough end of the deal post-WWI (which, unless I'm wrong, led to the militant extremist empire we saw arise in OTL).

Spitballing, but what ramifications would this have on post-war history?

Also, can we assume the colonial situation in Africa would be the same? Kamerun and Togo split between France and Britain, East and SW German Africa going to Britain?
 

yourworstnightmare

Banned
Donor
Hmm, Russia would probably be content by Galicia and the Bosporus, and they don't want an independent Poland, so they'll support Germany keeping it's eastern parts.

Austria- Hungary would still dissolve (or at least lose quite a lot).

Russia would probably press for a zone of influence in much of the Ottoman Empire, Britain and France would do the same in order to contain Russia.

Russia's problems would still be there. Poles, Finns, Balts and the Caucasian peoples still dream of independence. There's still demand on reforms and a radicalized working class. Nicky II would still be forced to deal with that or face the consequences.
 

Tellus

Banned
One of the terms of the Franco-Russian alliance was that Russia could set the new eastern border of Germany, and various scenarios were considered, the most punishing that left Germany in one piece being a Rhine border in the west and the Oder in the east. Even smaller than post WW2 OTL. Probably unworkable, of course... but the loss of German Poland and east Prussia to Russia's in the cards.

Alot depends on how Germany loses. If theres no Tannenberg and Russia's advance into Germany and Austria is very instrumental to Entente victory, all bets are off. The territorial gains, in the Balkans especially, could make Britain go nuts.
 
What would be the make-up of the Entente victory? Would it be a major/minor victory over some or all of the CP? Say a successful campaign against the Ottomans by the Imperial/French forces, a collapse of the Germans/AH the E or W front? A collapse of one of the CP members due to other issues? Suing for peace prior to a major defeat?

I wonder if we'd get a milder peace settlement if the first scenario occured, where the OE sued for peace after the capital was seized, then elements in AH/Germany used this as a reason to demand a similar settlement, rather than face eventual defeat. Of course this means that the OE gets the worst of the deal, but that always seems to happen in ATLs!
 
How would this effect the rise of militancy in Japan in the early 30s? I imagine that with a stronger Britain, possibly less distracted by Nazism, a less isolationist US and a Russia that might have successfully reformed, Japan would be confronted earlier, which might mean no use of nuclear weapons (at least in this war). Would Russian/Japanese activity in the Pacific lead to an earlier "special relationship", especially with a US less committed to isolationism? I'd like to imagine a successfull Imperial federation with Imperial preference, but would this be viable?
 
Top