Even though Foley lost the scandal might taint Putnam. Not to mention Nelson is popular (he beat a strong candidate OTL by over 20 points).
Not quite. I’m a Floridian and I remember that race well - Katherine Harris was a very polarizing candidate, actually.Even though Foley lost the scandal might taint Putnam. Not to mention Nelson is popular (he beat a strong candidate OTL by over 20 points).
Yup. Depending on badly the GOP bungles the '08 election we could be looking at an earlier Trump presidency!
Don't get the ¡JEB!For some ral hilarity, Kerry screws up badly enough for ¡JEB! to win in 2008, and Trump runs as a Democrat in 2012.
Would have to move this to Chat but we have to do that anyway when it gets to 2011.
I won't spoil who ends up winning, but I will say that Trump does have a big role in this (President or not), thus this will have to go to chat. I was planning on covering everything through the 2012 election in this thread though. Though I'm more than willing to end this a bit earlier in 2011 in order to comply with the current politics rules. This will continue in chat eventually regardless.For some ral hilarity, Kerry screws up badly enough for ¡JEB! to win in 2008, and Trump runs as a Democrat in 2012.
Would have to move this to Chat but we have to do that anyway when it gets to 2011.
You are correct, actually. I failed to remember to take that into account. I modified the initial post, and added two extra votes to the DREAM Act tally in favor of passage. I figure the political climate at the time in the ATL would make immigration less polarizing an issue than in the post-2008 environment of OTL. I could envision one or two reasonably conservative Senators from agrarian states casting votes in favor of the bill due to labor issues, etc. Think someone like John Thune, etc.Hmmm wouldn't 41 Senators been sufficient to prevent an end of the debating of the Dream Act, and therefore caused it to wallow endlessly in the Senate?
Don't get the ¡JEB!
I won't spoil who ends up winning, but I will say that Trump does have a big role in this (President or not), thus this will have to go to chat. I was planning on covering everything through the 2012 election in this thread though. Though I'm more than willing to end this a bit earlier in 2011 in order to comply with the current politics rules. This will continue in chat eventually regardless.
You are correct, actually. I failed to remember to take that into account. I modified the initial post, and added two extra votes to the DREAM Act tally in favor of passage. I figure the political climate at the time in the ATL would make immigration less polarizing an issue than in the post-2008 environment of OTL. I could envision one or two reasonably conservative Senators from agrarian states casting votes in favor of the bill due to labor issues, etc. Think someone like John Thune, etc.
For some real hilarity, Kerry screws up badly enough for ¡JEB! to win in 2008, and Trump runs as a Democrat in 2012.
Would have to move this to Chat but we have to do that anyway when it gets to 2011.
Don't get the ¡JEB!
In OTL he printed JEB! signs. It came out that he registered as Hispanic in Florida even though he isn't, so a joke that got some circulation was calling him ¡JEB!
No no haha, I wasn’t saying I didn’t understand it, I was just memeing “get the Jab”In OTL he printed JEB! signs. It came out that he registered as Hispanic in Florida even though he isn't, so a joke that got some circulation was calling him ¡JEB!
No no haha, I wasn’t saying I didn’t understand it, I was just memeing “get the Jab”
There could’ve been Senators who voted for cloture, to end the filibuster, but didn’t vote for the bill.I won't spoil who ends up winning, but I will say that Trump does have a big role in this (President or not), thus this will have to go to chat. I was planning on covering everything through the 2012 election in this thread though. Though I'm more than willing to end this a bit earlier in 2011 in order to comply with the current politics rules. This will continue in chat eventually regardless.
You are correct, actually. I failed to remember to take that into account. I modified the initial post, and added two extra votes to the DREAM Act tally in favor of passage. I figure the political climate at the time in the ATL would make immigration less polarizing an issue than in the post-2008 environment of OTL. I could envision one or two reasonably conservative Senators from agrarian states casting votes in favor of the bill due to labor issues, etc. Think someone like John Thune, etc.
True. If the filibuster is backed mostly by lunatics then the moderates and those with a vested interest might vote in favor cloture.There could’ve been Senators who voted for cloture, to end the filibuster, but didn’t vote for the bill.