Religious WI: Judaism with a rebuilt Temple?

How would one of the worlds oldest religions have developed, had the Temple at Jerusalem been rebuilt (and stayed that way for at least some time)?

POD would be Julian lives, finishes construction of the temple and has a bunch of sucessors that keep up the policy of keeping the temple open.
 
The Talmud will probably be very different from OTL, assuming it exists at all. Julian would probably figure in Judaism similarly to Cyrus the Great, a messiah but not The Messiah, and a Hebrew/Aramaic equivalent of Julian or one of his other names might become popular among Jews. Beyond that, there might be an effort to undo the Diaspora, and Second Temple Judaism is the most likely model of how Jewish practice would end up, albeit most likely without equivalents to the Sadducees and Essenes. This assumes that a Third Temple wouldn't get destroyed for a long time if ever, of course. I could easily see the local Christians and/or Pagans destroying it for several reasons (mainly anti-semitism).
 

jahenders

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If so, there would be a renewed focus on "gathering in" people from the Diaspora and a renewed focus on Temple Priesthood vs. Rabbis.

This 3rd Temple might well have been destroyed or re-purposed at some point, but I think it's most likely by the Muslim jihad (much as the re-purposed the Hagia Sophia as a mosque after pillaging it).

If somehow this 3rd Temple avoids destruction before then, it'll certainly be a key site in the crusades and could be troubled then.

If it still survived, then the head of the Temple Priesthood might essentially be considered a prophet or pope-like figure to Jews around the world today.

The Temple would be a rallying cry in calling Jews back to Zion to defend it upon the founding of Israel.

The Talmud will probably be very different from OTL, assuming it exists at all. Julian would probably figure in Judaism similarly to Cyrus the Great, a messiah but not The Messiah, and a Hebrew/Aramaic equivalent of Julian or one of his other names might become popular among Jews. Beyond that, there might be an effort to undo the Diaspora, and Second Temple Judaism is the most likely model of how Jewish practice would end up, albeit most likely without equivalents to the Sadducees and Essenes. This assumes that a Third Temple wouldn't get destroyed for a long time if ever, of course. I could easily see the local Christians and/or Pagans destroying it for several reasons (mainly anti-semitism).
 

Lunarwolf

Banned
The Muslims wouldn't destroy it they'd reconsecrate it as a mosque, but quite possibly the Crusaders would tear it down and replace it with a cathedral. Which ironically would get reconsecrated as a Mosque after Saladin finished up.

"Jews are the bastards who murdered Our Lord Jesus!" - Popular Crusader-era philosophy.
 
The Muslims wouldn't destroy it they'd reconsecrate it as a mosque, but quite possibly the Crusaders would tear it down and replace it with a cathedral. Which ironically would get reconsecrated as a Mosque after Saladin finished up.

"Jews are the bastards who murdered Our Lord Jesus!" - Popular Crusader-era philosophy.

This assumes Islam exists ttl
 

Lunarwolf

Banned
Butterflies. The changes this would do to Judaism and Christanity would butterfly Islam as we know it assuming any thing like it rises.

well you might look at a more Anti-Judaic Christianity due to the perceived pandering by the persecuting Romans toward the persecuting Jews causing a rather more substantial split between the religions. leading to a butterflying of the concept of "Judeo-Christian" and a focus on New Testament only.

But I do object to "would butterfly", i'll not object to "could butterfly" however as we know that the communities of Yathrib and Mecca were in regular contact with Romans, Persians and Arabic Jews, who infact did rule the area of Yathrib and parts of Yemen... and Islam still rose.

Besides, The Archangel Gabriel might object to you saying he wouldn't do his job with a Prophet of the Lord?
 
well you might look at a more Anti-Judaic Christianity due to the perceived pandering by the persecuting Romans toward the persecuting Jews causing a rather more substantial split between the religions. leading to a butterflying of the concept of "Judeo-Christian" and a focus on New Testament only.

But I do object to "would butterfly", i'll not object to "could butterfly" however as we know that the communities of Yathrib and Mecca were in regular contact with Romans, Persians and Arabic Jews, who infact did rule the area of Yathrib and parts of Yemen... and Islam still rose.

Besides, The Archangel Gabriel might object to you saying he wouldn't do his job with a Prophet of the Lord?

It'd at least change the nature of Islam considerably. Like how Christianity would be changed in its nature had the Second Temple not been destroyed in the first place.
 

Lunarwolf

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It'd at least change the nature of Islam considerably. Like how Christianity would be changed in its nature had the Second Temple not been destroyed in the first place.

Islam is even today, more connected to Judaism theologically then Christianity is, so I don't see how much it would change?

Actually given that, isn't Judeo-christian a false idea in modern society? Christianity might have started out as a jewish sect, but it's been a long time since there was even a superficial connection... Theologically speaking.
 
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Islam is even today, more connected to Judaism theologically then Christianity is, so I don't see how much it would change?

Well, Muhammad might not been have born in this timeline. For example, a distant ancestor of Muhammad might have been inspired by the Second Temple to convert to Judaism. Or Jews on the way to Jerusalem to worship in the temple might have passed through the home of Muhammed's ancestor, and might have caused his ancestor to be killed or such by such passing pilgrims, or his ancestor might have married someone different because of that. Or a male ancestor would be born female because of passing pilgrims, etc.
 

Lunarwolf

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Well, Muhammad might not been have born in this timeline. For example, a distant ancestor of Muhammad might have been inspired by the Second Temple to convert to Judaism. Or Jews on the way to Jerusalem to worship in the temple might have passed through the home of Muhammed's ancestor, and might have caused his ancestor to be killed or such by such passing pilgrims, or his ancestor might have married someone different because of that. Or a male ancestor would be born female because of passing pilgrims, etc.

well that is true, if your not religious... if you are, then it can't happen that way, because no matter what Muhammad will be born and he will found Islam.

He and Islam is after all a mandated part of the Ineffable Plan.

:D
 
well that is true, if your not religious... if you are, then it can't happen that way, because no matter what Muhammad will be born and he will found Islam.

He and Islam is after all a mandated part of the Ineffable Plan.

:D

Well, if we're going to just go for divine predestination what's even the point of discussing this?
 
Lets get back to Judaism...
I dont think Second Temple would be the analogy.
Rabbinic schools had developed already.
Interesting ly diverse picture perhaps...
 
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