Religious: Phillipines no more christian

Disclaimer; I honestly know jack on religious believes of what is now Philipines beyond the southern muslims. So...

The philipinians had been conquered and colonised by Spain, and converted to catholicism. Add this later the USA and possibly Protestants conversions I guess...

But let's think. Nationalism.

How come there never was a certain nostalgia for 'freer days' - and so, how would come a 'nationalist revival' hostile to colonial past(s), and a certain return to indigenous believes, perhaps 'reconstructed' into a sort of Philipinian Neo'paganism', come to be?

Or perhaps a return to 'malayfied hinduism' or buddhism, or even islam...
 
Disclaimer; I honestly know jack on religious believes of what is now Philipines beyond the southern muslims. So...

The philipinians had been conquered and colonised by Spain, and converted to catholicism. Add this later the USA and possibly Protestants conversions I guess...

But let's think. Nationalism.

How come there never was a certain nostalgia for 'freer days' - and so, how would come a 'nationalist revival' hostile to colonial past(s), and a certain return to indigenous believes, perhaps 'reconstructed' into a sort of Philipinian Neo'paganism', come to be?

Or perhaps a return to 'malayfied hinduism' or buddhism, or even islam...

I think you underestimate the extent to which Catholicism became part of Filipino culture. It's seen as their religion, not some religion imposed by foreign tyrants. Remember, Catholicism is quite open to incorporating local beliefs and certainly does, in the Philippines just as in Latin America.
 
Actually, the Philippines could had been Anglican had America banned the Churches there from forming a communion with the Vatican again after the Fil-Am war and encouraged the churches to join the Anglican Communion instead...
 
Before Spanish conquest, the Philippines were split between Chinese-influences states, Indian-influenced states, Muslim Javanese/Malay influenced-states, and a few Austronesian tribesmen. Population-wise I think the Hindus were biggest.

The Philippines were only united in Spanish conquest; there isn't really a "Filipino identity" from before then, the same way that e.g. there was a German identity before Germany unified.
 
Actually, the Philippines could had been Anglican had America banned the Churches there from forming a communion with the Vatican again after the Fil-Am war and encouraged the churches to join the Anglican Communion instead...

Not really. You could see more CoE folk with a British Philippines, but at large by the 18th century Catholicism was entrenched. And the US doesn't really care what religion you believe in provided you aren't running the country.

Before Spanish conquest, the Philippines were split between Chinese-influences states, Indian-influenced states, Muslim Javanese/Malay influenced-states, and a few Austronesian tribesmen. Population-wise I think the Hindus were biggest.

The Philippines were only united in Spanish conquest; there isn't really a "Filipino identity" from before then, the same way that e.g. there was a German identity before Germany unified.

Pretty much like Indonesia?
 
Nowadays in Philippines you get many denominations of Christianity. You get a lot of missionaries from Korea now who like to promote a lot of non-catholic denominations.
However, Catholicism plays a massive part in the Philippines to the extent that the Catholic church decides many laws. (divorce, adultery and condoms are all illegal) Many Filipinos nowadays feel that to take out the those Catholic laws would be anti-Filipino.
 
Nowadays in Philippines you get many denominations of Christianity. You get a lot of missionaries from Korea now who like to promote a lot of non-catholic denominations.
However, Catholicism plays a massive part in the Philippines to the extent that the Catholic church decides many laws. (divorce, adultery and condoms are all illegal) Many Filipinos nowadays feel that to take out the those Catholic laws would be anti-Filipino.

The non-Catholic denominations started with the Americans, actually. They pretty much jump-started the Evangelical movement.
 
Actually, the Philippines could had been Anglican had America banned the Churches there from forming a communion with the Vatican again after the Fil-Am war and encouraged the churches to join the Anglican Communion instead...

Congratulations. Not only have you intensified the revolts in the Philippines, you've also horrified every Catholic on the mainland and run into some severe constitutional issues. The ramifications of this course of action will haunt America for the next few decades and cause whoever is in power to lose the Catholic voting bloc.
 
The non-Catholic denominations started with the Americans, actually. They pretty much jump-started the Evangelical movement.
I didn't know who started it. But it makes sense the Americans started it. Seems strange to think that it is Koreans who are continuing this process these days.
 
I didn't know who started it. But it makes sense the Americans started it. Seems strange to think that it is Koreans who are continuing this process these days.

The fact that Christianity is a rather large plurality in South Korea is a bit AH-ish, too. :p
 
Koreans spreading christianity thorugh south east asia does sound pretty ASB but it does happen. I know there are Korean churches doing missionary work not only in the Philippines but also in Thailand, Cambodia and Mongolia too.
If I knew more about Korea I'd write a tl about them spreading Christianity to the far corners of the globe.
 
Not really. You could see more CoE folk with a British Philippines, but at large by the 18th century Catholicism was entrenched. And the US doesn't really care what religion you believe in provided you aren't running the country.
The remaining Muslims in the Northern part of the Philippines got extinct in the 18th century when they converted to Christianity, it has been a part of a local legend actually.

Yes, they could turn the Philippines into Anglican it would be similar to Catholic but they would be in Anglican Communion like the Aglipayan Church and/or encourage conversion to Evangelical faith and other Protestant sects, I think they could deprive them of their communion with the Catholic Faith like they did in Scandanavia, but I think that would be possible but I think that would enrage the Catholic Church, devout Catholics and the elites and the Catholics in the US, the Nationalists in the Philippines were okay with that.
 
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In OTL, there was also the Philippine Orthodox Church that was established by 200 Greek sailors. I created the thread called Tubabao's Miracle and had the PoD set in 1949. It also involve John Maximovitch deciding to stay in the Philippines instead of going to America with 5,000 White Russian refugees.
 
The fact that Christianity is a rather large plurality in South Korea is a bit AH-ish, too. :p

Christianity is'nt the plurality in South Korea, Atheism/Agnosticism/Irreligion is at 45%.

Now, if we're talking about just religions, than yes, it's the plurality, however it's not a large plurality, Christians only make-up 29% of S. Korea, whereas Buddhists for example make-up 22%.
 
Christianity is'nt the plurality in South Korea, Atheism/Agnosticism/Irreligion is at 45%.

Now, if we're talking about just religions, than yes, it's the plurality, however it's not a large plurality, Christians only make-up 29% of S. Korea, whereas Buddhists for example make-up 22%.

It's difficult to define an adherent to a religion in the East Asian cultural world. In Christianity adherents are always initiated by pouring water on the head. There's no comparable rite for adherents of Buddhism/Confucianism/Taoism, which is the default faith tradition. And besides, most people who call themselves secular will be superstitious in some way.
 
It's difficult to define an adherent to a religion in the East Asian cultural world. In Christianity adherents are always initiated by pouring water on the head. There's no comparable rite for adherents of Buddhism/Confucianism/Taoism, which is the default faith tradition. And besides, most people who call themselves secular will be superstitious in some way.

Specifically stating you do not believe in any sort of religion or hold any religious/spirtiaul beliefs is pretty damned clear, especially when you're given a choice.

While Confucianism and Taoism do cause some problems (0.2% of people stated Confucianism), overall the demographics are as close to the truth as those for any country that actually asks them.

Also, Baptism is not an accurate way of determining the number of Christians, as their are several groups that either don't practice it, believe it's something that can only be done through a conscious decision and even more who simply just don't bother with it.
 
Specifically stating you do not believe in any sort of religion or hold any religious/spirtiaul beliefs is pretty damned clear, especially when you're given a choice.

While Confucianism and Taoism do cause some problems (0.2% of people stated Confucianism), overall the demographics are as close to the truth as those for any country that actually asks them.

Also, Baptism is not an accurate way of determining the number of Christians, as their are several groups that either don't practice it, believe it's something that can only be done through a conscious decision and even more who simply just don't bother with it.

But this does not hold the entire truth. Confucianism is *not* a religion any more than Platoism or Socratism or Aristotlism are religions. And most people who claim to be irreligious will continue to hold a small shrine in their home, choose auspicious days to do certain things, keep a lucky charm on their car dashboard, or pray to whatever deity before they do an exam. It's impossible to give a one-word answer for religious beliefs, which is the way it's done under the Abrahamic mindset. In addition there's the cultural tendency not to openly talk about religion to strangers, due to the belief that it will incite demons.

For instance, after decades of supposedly atheist propaganda by a Communist dictatorship, China is so superstitious and spiritual that even the Party itself chooses auspicious days to hold Congresses and other big events. So it's perfectly possible for those who claim to be atheists/agnostics to continue holding deep spiritual beliefs.

I'd say there are more atheists (i.e. those who don't believe in any gods, superstitions, or anything supernatural) in absolute numbers in the US than in all of China, to put it frankly.
 
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