Relations between two Jewish States

Let's say Stalin decides to create a Soviet Zion in the USSR (Birobidzhan, Crimea, or Kaliningrad) and sends all of Soviet Jewry to this SSR (ASSR?). Eventually, the USSR will collapse and it'll either be an independent polity (if SSR) or autonomous one a la Tatarstan (if ASSR).

What would relations be like between a Soviet Jewish State and Israel?
 
During the Cold War the relationship between the two jewish states will be probably difficoult with both of them accusing each other of being puppets of other countries and claiming to be more legitimate than the other
However after the end of the URSS i expect most of the soviet jews to leave for Israel mostly because being forced to relocate and live in a certain area doesn't sound like a good plan to create a new state
Also i vote for Crimea as jewish soviet state because Stalin planned to use it for this in OTL
 
Everything depends, IMHO, on the viability of this Jewish state. Jewish nation-states in Crimea or East Prussia would be perfectly viable European states, and might well thrive economically in the post-Soviet world. A more remote Birobidzhan, in contrast, might not.

It's important to underline, I suppose, that much depends on the Soviet Jewish policy. A TL where a Jewish republic is set up and attracts voluntary migrants will see much different results from one where there is a mass expulsion of Soviet Jews to the most remote reaches of the empire.
 
Everything depends, IMHO, on the viability of this Jewish state. Jewish nation-states in Crimea or East Prussia would be perfectly viable European states, and might well thrive economically in the post-Soviet world. A more remote Birobidzhan, in contrast, might not.

It's important to underline, I suppose, that much depends on the Soviet Jewish policy. A TL where a Jewish republic is set up and attracts voluntary migrants will see much different results from one where there is a mass expulsion of Soviet Jews to the most remote reaches of the empire.

I have been theorizing about making Crimea a Jewish nation-state, it's nearly impossible. I know this might sound like a strange question but its apart of the premise, but does anyone know how many Jews were killed annually in the Holocaust? (Please give sources as well, thanks.)
 
I have been theorizing about making Crimea a Jewish nation-state, it's nearly impossible.

Per the Soviet 1926 Census, there were 350,000 people in Crimea (the Crimean ASSR within the Russian SFSR). I wasn't able to find ethnic data, but a large portion would have been Crimean Tatars, with Ukrainians, Russians, and a few Jews (there were 20,000 Jews in Simferopol, I couldn't find numbers for the Republic as a whole) mixed in. In the same census, there were 2,600,000 Jews (in the whole Union). Forced relocation of even a fifth of the Jews in the USSR would make Crimea a strong majority Jewish (though there might be a scoonch of starvation in the short term). Also, the USSR had absolutely no problem force-relocating all the Crimean Tatars after WWII; then, it was "in punishment for collaboration with Nazis", but I'm sure that something else could be come up with - for example, mass starvation killed half the people in Tatarstan by 1922; the Soviet leadership may decide to "top-up" the place with Crimean Tatars instead of/in addition to Russians.

Crazy? Sure. Almost impossible? Naw. Soviets did crazier stuff.
 
Six million dead, mass killing started in 1941, ended obviously in 1945... do the math.

I always thought the Nazi's killed more in 44 and 45 than 41, 42 and 43. But there you go. Based on that simple (see below) premise there would be an average between 1,200,000 - 1,500,000 jews in the area of Poland in 44 and 45.

(6,000,000 / 5 = 1,200,000)

(6,000,000 / 4 = 1,500,000)
 
Per the Soviet 1926 Census, there were 350,000 people in Crimea (the Crimean ASSR within the Russian SFSR). I wasn't able to find ethnic data, but a large portion would have been Crimean Tatars, with Ukrainians, Russians, and a few Jews (there were 20,000 Jews in Simferopol, I couldn't find numbers for the Republic as a whole) mixed in. In the same census, there were 2,600,000 Jews (in the whole Union). Forced relocation of even a fifth of the Jews in the USSR would make Crimea a strong majority Jewish (though there might be a scoonch of starvation in the short term). Also, the USSR had absolutely no problem force-relocating all the Crimean Tatars after WWII; then, it was "in punishment for collaboration with Nazis", but I'm sure that something else could be come up with - for example, mass starvation killed half the people in Tatarstan by 1922; the Soviet leadership may decide to "top-up" the place with Crimean Tatars instead of/in addition to Russians.

Crazy? Sure. Almost impossible? Naw. Soviets did crazier stuff.

I have seen statistics that there were 65,000 Jews in Crimea. I did not know there that many Jews in the Soviet Union. Previously I was strictly talking about not Soviet Jews relocating Crimea.
 
I always thought the Nazi's killed more in 44 and 45 than 41, 42 and 43. But there you go. Based on that simple (see below) premise there would be an average between 1,200,000 - 1,500,000 jews in the area of Poland in 44 and 45.

(6,000,000 / 5 = 1,200,000)

(6,000,000 / 4 = 1,500,000)
In 45 Nazis were mostly confined to prewar Germany. In Poland about 2/3 of Jews were murdered during operation Reinhardt in 42 and 43.
 
The relationship would be like estranged siblings.
There's an old saying "You can have six Jews in a room and have seven different opinions.
 
It's important to underline, I suppose, that much depends on the Soviet Jewish policy. A TL where a Jewish republic is set up and attracts voluntary migrants will see much different results from one where there is a mass expulsion of Soviet Jews to the most remote reaches of the empire.

How deep is the Amur River, by chance? Birobidzhan is landlocked, but it is on the Amur.
 
An interesting modern day dynamic could be that, as Israel is becoming more and more Orthodox Jewish and slowly drifting away from secularism, having a 'Jewish Commonwealth of Crimea' could encourage the other Jewish branches and secular Jews to move to Crimea instead.
 
Let's say Stalin decides to create a Soviet Zion in the USSR (Birobidzhan, Crimea, or Kaliningrad) and sends all of Soviet Jewry to this SSR (ASSR?). Eventually, the USSR will collapse and it'll either be an independent polity (if SSR) or autonomous one a la Tatarstan (if ASSR).

What would relations be like between a Soviet Jewish State and Israel?

In general I would expect a pretty good post-Cold War relationship with large Israeli (and American and German) investments in "Zion", we will likely see some early emigration to ISrael, but if Zion lise in East Prussia or Crimea, it will likely soon be rich enough that the outflow falls, and many Soviet Jews choose it as destination instead of Germany and Israel.
 
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